Missouri Set to Nullify All Federal Gun Laws

Feuer Frei! · 08-30-13, 02:32 AM

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It looks like Missouri is about to order the federal government to butt out in terms of gun laws. The state legislature appears to have the votes to override the governor's veto of a bill that nullifies all federal gun legislation, reports the New York Times

Time and courts will tell...

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Ducimus · 08-30-13, 06:14 AM

In other news, BO blocked Re-imports of military surplus firearms.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...rplus-imports/

Hope you didn't want an M1 Garand, Cause you know, their used every day in the commission of a crime. It's also amazing the Liar-in-Chief can make time for this when he's got much bigger fish in the frying pan.

Red October1984 · 08-30-13, 07:19 AM

WOOHOO!

Missouri ftw!

AVGWarhawk · 08-30-13, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

In other news, BO blocked Re-imports of military surplus firearms.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...rplus-imports/

Hope you didn't want an M1 Garand, Cause you know, their used every day in the commission of a crime. It's also amazing the Liar-in-Chief can make time for this when he's got much bigger fish in the frying pan.

One begins to wonder. Then again, a Jr. Senator that never voted for much when he was present certainly is qualified to the run the country.

August · 08-30-13, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

In other news, BO blocked Re-imports of military surplus firearms.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...rplus-imports/

Hope you didn't want an M1 Garand, Cause you know, their used every day in the commission of a crime. It's also amazing the Liar-in-Chief can make time for this when he's got much bigger fish in the frying pan.

Proof that Obama isn't motivated by gun violence. Banning antique firearms that aren't being used in crimes or mass shootings only shows that the Democrats are out for nothing less than to completely take away the peoples right to keep and bear arms.

08-30-13, 08:14 AM

So this import legislation doesn't ban people from buying a M1 Garand, it doesn't ban people from owning one either.
The other piece of legislation only bans people from owning guns who are already banned from owning guns.
Its a conspiracy I tell ya.

Ducimus · 08-30-13, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

One begins to wonder. Then again, a Jr. Senator that never voted for much when he was present certainly is qualified to the run the country.

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Originally Posted by August

Proof that Obama isn't motivated by gun violence. Banning antique firearms that aren't being used in crimes or mass shootings only shows that the Democrats are out for nothing less than to completely take away the peoples right to keep and bear arms.

Do you guys remember this?

What a liar he turned out to be too.

As an aside,
Harvard Study: No Correlation Between Gun Control and Less Violent Crime

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A Harvard Study titled "Would Banning Firearms Reduce Murder and Suicide?" looks at figures for "intentional deaths" throughout continental Europe and juxtaposes them with the U.S. to show that more gun control does not necessarily lead to lower death rates or violent crime.

Link to actual study:
http://www.law.harvard.edu/students/...useronline.pdf

August might enjoy this:

Back on topic,
I can't imagine any state being successful in nullifying federal laws, however, I don't think this is the first, or only attempt. Regardless of chances of success, more states need to push back like this. The federal government has become entirely too over reaching and they always seem to want more.

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Obama’s new executive order will kill the 110-year-old Civilian Marksmanship Program

My extreme dislike, is quickly turning into hatred.

08-30-13, 08:50 AM

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As an aside,

Lets see, does the study use Kleck as a source?
Surprise surprise repeatedly, using a primary source which makes up "facts" makes the study questionable.
I see they also throw in the soaring "violent crime" figures in one location from after "shouting at someone" was reclassified as violent crime in the statistics from that location.

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Obama’s new executive order will kill the 110-year-old Civilian Marksmanship Program
Pure baloney, restrictions on imports will not kill the program, banning all the guns would kill the program, but that ain't never going to happen is it.

AVGWarhawk · 08-30-13, 09:07 AM

There is only one study that is consistent. It is the study of local newspapers that daily report gun violence and or guns used in the commission of a crime. What does this study mean that we read about daily? The criminals have guns, will continue to get guns and use them. The laws already in place weed out those that apply for gun purchase but are denied for one reason or another. The laws do not affect those in back rooms or on the streets buying guns illegally. Taking guns from the citizen who likes these weapons for sport, hunting or home protection is not the answer. It also leaves guns in the hands of the military. The military under the direction of the government. Not a comforting situation for some.

There simply is no fix all law. Washington needs to come to grips with that fact. Let the good citizens cling to their religion and guns. Fix the legal system pertaining to use of a gun in a commission of a crime.

Platapus · 08-30-13, 10:09 AM

I anticipate some interesting court challenges forthcoming.

Wolferz · 08-30-13, 10:18 AM

Jihad on the weapons. Because those weapons are loading themselves and jumping up and killing people.

The touchy feely Democrats will never learn But, they do have the back door covered and plugged.

Adding a whole new meaning to Kum By Yah

They can't prosecute murderers for killing people with guns because the prisons are already overflowing with murderers who used other tools.

08-30-13, 10:36 AM

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The laws already in place weed out those that apply for gun purchase but are denied for one reason or another.

Can you explain that loophole which avoided backround checks then, you know the one they claim to be closing in this new legislation?
While you are at it can you explain a few of the other loopholes where people can purchase weapons from a legal source while avoiding backround checks?

AVGWarhawk · 08-30-13, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Can you explain that loophole which avoided backround checks then, you know the one they claim to be closing in this new legislation?
While you are at it can you explain a few of the other loopholes where people can purchase weapons from a legal source while avoiding backround checks?

Internet sales is a gray area. One could purchase over the internet with no recourse of a check. I'm not sure how this will be enforced if at all. This is the only loophole I'm aware of.

There are no other sources that I'm aware of that allow legal purchase of a weapon w/o a background check.

Wolferz · 08-30-13, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Can you explain that loophole which avoided backround checks then, you know the one they claim to be closing in this new legislation?
While you are at it can you explain a few of the other loopholes where people can purchase weapons from a legal source while avoiding backround checks?

What legislation? If I'm not mistaken, this didn't come out of congress. It's another Executive Order from his exalted highness, doing as he pleases.

AVGWarhawk · 08-30-13, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

What legislation? If I'm not mistaken, this didn't come out of congress. It's another Executive Order from his exalted highness, doing as he pleases.

As I understand per the news and I understand it. This is BO brain child enacted on a whim.

08-30-13, 07:19 AM	#3
Red October1984 Airplane Nerd Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 6,243 Downloads: 115 Uploads: 0	WOOHOO! Missouri ftw! __________________

08-30-13, 09:07 AM	#9
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,261 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	There is only one study that is consistent. It is the study of local newspapers that daily report gun violence and or guns used in the commission of a crime. What does this study mean that we read about daily? The criminals have guns, will continue to get guns and use them. The laws already in place weed out those that apply for gun purchase but are denied for one reason or another. The laws do not affect those in back rooms or on the streets buying guns illegally. Taking guns from the citizen who likes these weapons for sport, hunting or home protection is not the answer. It also leaves guns in the hands of the military. The military under the direction of the government. Not a comforting situation for some. There simply is no fix all law. Washington needs to come to grips with that fact. Let the good citizens cling to their religion and guns. Fix the legal system pertaining to use of a gun in a commission of a crime. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

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Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,373 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	I anticipate some interesting court challenges forthcoming. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-30-13, 10:18 AM	#11
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Jihad on the weapons. Because those weapons are loading themselves and jumping up and killing people. The touchy feely Democrats will never learn But, they do have the back door covered and plugged. Adding a whole new meaning to Kum By Yah They can't prosecute murderers for killing people with guns because the prisons are already overflowing with murderers who used other tools. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

08-30-13, 06:14 AM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	In other news, BO blocked Re-imports of military surplus firearms. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013...rplus-imports/ Hope you didn't want an M1 Garand, Cause you know, their used every day in the commission of a crime. It's also amazing the Liar-in-Chief can make time for this when he's got much bigger fish in the frying pan.

08-30-13, 08:14 AM	#6
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	So this import legislation doesn't ban people from buying a M1 Garand, it doesn't ban people from owning one either. The other piece of legislation only bans people from owning guns who are already banned from owning guns. Its a conspiracy I tell ya.