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Skybird · 08-17-13, 08:37 AM

Feuer frei, nobody has forced you to read his written stuff. Nobody has forced you to take extensive note of his decision and death. you have been free from first second on to just flip the browser page, et voila. He certainly wrote that site for people only who took interest in what he wanted to say. But he did not trick anybody not interested into it.

If you do not feel like wanting to know a bit about how he argued over his decision - then do not read it.

Simple. I personally am not personally interested in the man, I did not know him, his death means nothing to me, and I feel no sadness over it - how could I feel sad about a loss that I do not perceive as a loss...? But I noted that some of his reasoning made me smile and made me feel good, and that I agree with some of it. I think that is what he wanted to achieve, and indirectly he even admits that, somewhere.

There is this nice story by Ray Bradbury where an Irish fella dies who had collected a huge amount of wine or whisky, I forgot what it was. To the disbelief of the village community he left behind a last will saying that all his liquid treasures should be spilled over his coffin, into his grave. The people exactly did that. They lined up at the open grave, dropped their pants, drank bottle for bottle and pissed at the same time into the grave, laughing. That way, the funeral became an event where everybody was feeling good and had a good time, and it was to be remembered for many years to come. I would like to leave behind a last will like that myself one day!

Feuer Frei! · 08-17-13, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Feuer frei, nobody has forced you to read his written stuff. Nobody has forced you to take extensive note of his decision and death. you have been free from first second on to just flip the browser page, et voila. He certainly wrote that site for people only who took interest in what he wanted to say. But he did not trick anybody not interested into it.

If you do not feel like wanting to know a bit about how he argued over his decision - then do not read it.

Simple.

Of course. That goes without saying.

However, to enter into discussion about something, you have to, fortunately or unfortunately, depends which way you look at it, read some of the subject matter

And, a miracle may occur once in a while where one's horizon of knowledge gets broader.

As for your story about the whiskey and dropping of pants at the funeral, well, you see there's nothing wrong with that is there.

No publicising, no glossy sheen polish, just a will and a happy time had by all.

u crank · 08-17-13, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

And u crank, I do not think this man expected anyone to feel sorry for him.

I think that was the last thing he was concerned about.

Possibly, but I think he wanted more attention than he or anyone else deserves. He seemed very concerned about being forgotten. The amount of time he spent planing this and making a web site about it could have been better used. Surely he had things he could share, teach and help others in his chosen career or other life skills.

I don't feel sorry that he died. Whether he likes it or not, I feel sorry that he wasted the rest of his life.

Armistead · 08-17-13, 10:36 AM

I look at my step-mom. She's about 82, went through a serious bout of cancer during her late 60s. She wears a diaper, uses a walker, etc. My pop has been having issues and said this to her.

"What are we going to do when I have to use a walker"

She replied

"We'll race"

Reading between the lines, this guy is full of self pity. Instead of making positive change, he gave into pity.

WernherVonTrapp · 08-17-13, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

Reading between the lines, this guy is full of self pity. Instead of making positive change, he gave into pity.

I thought I was the only one who read evidence of that. Leaving GPS coordinates to a "Gold Fortune" that doesn't exist isn't commensurate of rational thought. Neither is some of the other info in the article or his writings.

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Before his death, Manley created a massive website that attempts to explain why he committed suicide. It also involves a rant about 9/11 conspiracy theorists...

"No, I wasn't fully satisfied with my life, but I was fully satisfied with my death!"

Nevertheless, I am saddened by his death.

Platapus · 08-17-13, 10:58 AM

It is clear that this gentleman thought long and carefully about his decision. I can respect him for that.

I am glad that, unlike some, he did not decide to take anyone else with him.

I hope he found the peace he was looking for.

Wolferz · 08-17-13, 11:04 AM

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Nevertheless, I am saddened by his death.

As am I. But, I'm more concerned with his impending second death. That part is just morose to think of.
As elders who have passed beyond the working stage of life, it is our job now to teach the young. You can't pass on your knowledge if you selfishly and prematurely take it with you.
To me, that's the saddest thing of all.

u crank · 08-17-13, 11:08 AM

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I am glad that, unlike some, he did not decide to take anyone else with him.

Good point.

Skybird · 08-17-13, 11:28 AM

Could it be he created this website with those people who knew him on his mind, for allowing them to maybe get a glimpse of his reasons after the first shock has been swallowed when they got the notice? I also see a good amount of humor there, especially the thing with the gold treasure and GPS coordinates.

And his reaosning on that he does not want to witness certain future events that willbecome very nasty for sure, can be lef tuncommented. I see some of that like him myself, and would be all to happy if I can just leave the stage short before the economy really has the sky falling. I am also living alone and have no kids myself. Would I want to live alone, feeling lonely maybe, getting older and older, more and more depending, physically degrading, intellectually collapsing, maybe missing the day when I have lost last control over my will, my body, turning into a corpus that rots while still moving by reflxes?

Spending some time in a gerontopsychiatric station really can make you think, I tell you. The price for staying alive can become horribly high when you are past a certain age, and become ill. Horribly high for yourself. Horribly for your next of kin. And - last, but not least - financially horribly costly for society. Also, for myself it is clear that I do not want to turn into a senile old baby that has a rubber ball being rolled to it over the floor and that takes three minutes to roll it back (or not) and then has had the moment of the day over that. People who think it is worth to live for that, well, do it, I don't stop you. But neither would I want to see my parents in a state like that, nor would I wait until I turned into that myself. One does not like to talk about it, but high age also can come at the cost of loss of human dignity.

There is an essay by David Hume, "On Suicide". I recommend to read it.

Stealhead · 08-17-13, 02:45 PM

I think that there is too much bogus stress handed out in the modern world to be honest.It seems like it is the goal of some people just make other people feel like dirt and I guess it works on some people.

People get so caught in modern BS they do not realize that generally speaking their life is not so bad.

The other thing is people do not know how to unwind any more they are always connected to what stresses them.

I always liked the John Lennon song Watching the Wheels to me that song is about being content with your life.

Cybermat47 · 08-17-13, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

The fact is, I hate humanity,

So you hate Neal, Steve, Frau, Feuer Frei, yourself, and everyone who has ever lived including your own mother and father.

There goes my respect for you

Feuer Frei! · 08-18-13, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

...So you hate Feuer Frei...

Hey, leave me out of it

Cybermat47 · 08-18-13, 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Hey, leave me out of it

Sorry, your name just popped into my head

Jimbuna · 08-18-13, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Sorry, your name just popped into my head

And your respect for him made way so there was sufficient space?

Red October1984 · 08-18-13, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybermat47

So you hate Neal, Steve, Frau, Feuer Frei, yourself, and everyone who has ever lived including your own mother and father.

There goes my respect for you

I don't hate humanity....I just lose faith in it sometimes.

Most often at my own stupid stupid age group. (No offense Cybermat47

You seem to be alright.)

This is why:

#I #Got #So #Much #Swag #YOLO #forrrrealllll

I can see why some people lose faith/hope in humanity...or start to hate it.

Because look at this....this is our future.

08-17-13, 08:37 AM	#16
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,662 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Feuer frei, nobody has forced you to read his written stuff. Nobody has forced you to take extensive note of his decision and death. you have been free from first second on to just flip the browser page, et voila. He certainly wrote that site for people only who took interest in what he wanted to say. But he did not trick anybody not interested into it. If you do not feel like wanting to know a bit about how he argued over his decision - then do not read it. Simple. I personally am not personally interested in the man, I did not know him, his death means nothing to me, and I feel no sadness over it - how could I feel sad about a loss that I do not perceive as a loss...? But I noted that some of his reasoning made me smile and made me feel good, and that I agree with some of it. I think that is what he wanted to achieve, and indirectly he even admits that, somewhere. There is this nice story by Ray Bradbury where an Irish fella dies who had collected a huge amount of wine or whisky, I forgot what it was. To the disbelief of the village community he left behind a last will saying that all his liquid treasures should be spilled over his coffin, into his grave. The people exactly did that. They lined up at the open grave, dropped their pants, drank bottle for bottle and pissed at the same time into the grave, laughing. That way, the funeral became an event where everybody was feeling good and had a good time, and it was to be remembered for many years to come. I would like to leave behind a last will like that myself one day! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-17-13, 10:36 AM	#19
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I look at my step-mom. She's about 82, went through a serious bout of cancer during her late 60s. She wears a diaper, uses a walker, etc. My pop has been having issues and said this to her. "What are we going to do when I have to use a walker" She replied "We'll race" Reading between the lines, this guy is full of self pity. Instead of making positive change, he gave into pity. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

08-17-13, 10:58 AM	#21
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,379 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	It is clear that this gentleman thought long and carefully about his decision. I can respect him for that. I am glad that, unlike some, he did not decide to take anyone else with him. I hope he found the peace he was looking for. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-17-13, 11:28 AM	#24
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,662 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Could it be he created this website with those people who knew him on his mind, for allowing them to maybe get a glimpse of his reasons after the first shock has been swallowed when they got the notice? I also see a good amount of humor there, especially the thing with the gold treasure and GPS coordinates. And his reaosning on that he does not want to witness certain future events that willbecome very nasty for sure, can be lef tuncommented. I see some of that like him myself, and would be all to happy if I can just leave the stage short before the economy really has the sky falling. I am also living alone and have no kids myself. Would I want to live alone, feeling lonely maybe, getting older and older, more and more depending, physically degrading, intellectually collapsing, maybe missing the day when I have lost last control over my will, my body, turning into a corpus that rots while still moving by reflxes? Spending some time in a gerontopsychiatric station really can make you think, I tell you. The price for staying alive can become horribly high when you are past a certain age, and become ill. Horribly high for yourself. Horribly for your next of kin. And - last, but not least - financially horribly costly for society. Also, for myself it is clear that I do not want to turn into a senile old baby that has a rubber ball being rolled to it over the floor and that takes three minutes to roll it back (or not) and then has had the moment of the day over that. People who think it is worth to live for that, well, do it, I don't stop you. But neither would I want to see my parents in a state like that, nor would I wait until I turned into that myself. One does not like to talk about it, but high age also can come at the cost of loss of human dignity. There is an essay by David Hume, "On Suicide". I recommend to read it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 08-17-13 at 08:02 PM.

08-17-13, 02:45 PM	#25
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I think that there is too much bogus stress handed out in the modern world to be honest.It seems like it is the goal of some people just make other people feel like dirt and I guess it works on some people. People get so caught in modern BS they do not realize that generally speaking their life is not so bad. The other thing is people do not know how to unwind any more they are always connected to what stresses them. I always liked the John Lennon song Watching the Wheels to me that song is about being content with your life.