idiot politicians should make selling ammo online illegal

[TwoGamers]

Get rid of the guns entirely. Problem solved you won't get anymore school shootings . Australia's period of that. There is no practical reason to have guns publicly available.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Webster

and there is a large group of the unemployed who make a living by going to the retail outlets every morning buying up all the ammo because its more then just a coincidence that every auction site lists ammo in lots of the buy limits at local stores.

So you want to hurt the unemployed by taking away a form of self employment as a source of income?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by TwoGamers

I know it's the second amendment but that was written more then a century ago. Times change. The right to bear arms is reasonable if you lived in a dangerous country.

Half the world wants to see America destroyed. Plus we just had two people blow up a few hundred civilians and engage in a day long firefight with police. Right now it is a dangerous time to be an American, and that is why we have the 2nd Amendment (one of the reasons anyways).

(2 centuries BTW)

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by TwoGamers

Get rid of the guns entirely. Problem solved you won't get anymore school shootings . Australia's period of that. There is no practical reason to have guns publicly available.

Trolling.

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Half the world wants to see America destroyed. Plus we just had two people blow up a few hundred civilians and engage in a day long firefight with police. Right now it is a dangerous time to be an American, and that is why we have the 2nd Amendment (one of the reasons anyways).

(2 centuries BTW)

Overstating the case massively. I actually can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by TwoGamers

Get rid of the guns entirely. Problem solved you won't get anymore school shootings . Australia's period of that. There is no practical reason to have guns publicly available.

This shows that you have zero understanding of anything. First, we have a thing called the Bill Of Rights, which guarantees non-interference by the Government into our private lives. Just because you think there is no practical reason doesn't make it so. The reason, whether you think it's practical or not, is that this country rebelled against British rule and we did so with privately owned guns, which kept the King at bay until we could actually make an army. We keep our guns because we don't want that to happen again.

To get rid of the guns entirely would involve changing the very basis of our government, and that is something that is pretty much impossible, for the very reason our form of government exists in the first place. Until you understand exactly how we think and who we are you are, as the old saying goes, talking through your hat.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by TwoGamers

Get rid of the guns entirely. Problem solved you won't get anymore school shootings . Australia's period of that. There is no practical reason to have guns publicly available.

Why stop with guns? There are no practical reason to own fast cars, or fast bikes, or booze, etc. all of which get people killed. Sure silly argument but I don't think most people want practical need to dictate what they choose to enjoy doing.

EDIT: And you likely get a skewed view from the news as if everybody here in the USA is dodging bullets regularly. I've never seen a criminal shooting, or even heard one to my knowledge in 57 years.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Overstating the case massively. I actually can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

Don't see how I'm overstating the case. A cursory tally will show that nations opposed to the west have combined over 20 million men under arms, and many of these are nations that have either publicly stated or demonstrated that it is there intention to wage unconventional warfare against their enemies, including the targeting of civilians.

On top of that as we have just seen yet again it is the stated tactic of several non-state entities to wage war against the west by the purposeful targeting of its civilian population. Like it or not every person who does not agree with them whether American, European or otherwise is a target.

Originally Posted by TwoGamers

Get rid of the guns entirely. Problem solved you won't get anymore school shootings . Australia's period of that. There is no practical reason to have guns publicly available.

guns make our lives safer, that has been proven constantly throughout history.

the places in America that take guns away from people are some of the most dangerous places to live

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Why stop with guns? There are no practical reason to own fast cars, or fast bikes, or booze, etc. all of which get people killed. Sure silly argument but I don't think most people want practical need to dictate what they choose to enjoy doing.

you forgot to put fast women on that list, they are the most dangerous

[Spike88]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Why stop with guns? There are no practical reason to own fast cars, or fast bikes, or booze, etc. all of which get people killed. Sure silly argument but I don't think most people want practical need to dictate what they choose to enjoy doing.

EDIT: And you likely get a skewed view from the news as if everybody here in the USA is dodging bullets regularly. I've never seen a criminal shooting, or even heard one to my knowledge in 57 years.

Think that just depends on where you live.

A couple new years ago, what started as a burglary into a weed house turned into a car chase involving an AK-47. The car that was being chased(the people who had tried to rob the weed house) ended up crashing their car into a stop sign down the street from my house. The people in the car got out and fled on foot, and one of them decided to come in through our back door(the two state trooper cars out front probably had something to do with it). Unfortunately at that time, we didn't have our fence in the backyard yet, and we hadn't locked the back door for the night. Luckily the pursuers either A. Didn't want to attack police officers or B. realize that they one of them had gone into our house. My parents sat the guy in our living room, and watched over him with their service pistols until Metro arrived and took him away.

The people who he was trying to rob apparently knew who he was, and preceded to do a drive-by on his house. Twice. The first time no one was home. The second time his family was out front, and several of his family members were killed.

Fast forward to last year/this year, and there have been several criminal shootings in a nearby neighborhood. Mind you, my neighborhood is fairly safe, but low income African American neighborhoods are 10 minutes away.

anyway, back on topic

THIS IS NOT A DUSCUSSION ABOUT GUN RIGHTS - go here to discuss that


we are talking about solutions and ways of limiting the ammo auctions

right now it is illegal for individuals to resell cigarettes and alcohol, they can ONLY be sold by licensed regulated retail outlets and that's the same way I think ammo should be treated.

treat ammo like they do with alcohol so as long as it is a licensed retail outlet store or retail online outlet then they can sell it but duphus and dimwhit cant go every morning to buy up all the ammo then flip it online at 2 to 3 times its value and in the process create a false shortage of ammo for local customers to buy.

[August]

Originally Posted by Webster

treat ammo like they do with alcohol so as long as it is a licensed retail outlet store or retail online outlet then they can sell it but duphus and dimwhit cant go every morning to buy up all the ammo then flip it online at 2 to 3 times its value and in the process create a false shortage of ammo for local customers to buy.

Look if it is a false shortage as you claim then it will eventually self correct and those duphuses and dimwits will be left holding the bag. Law of supply and demand.

Unlike you however I don't see reselling as a major contributing factor. People are genuinely scared that the government is going to make ammo too difficult or expensive to obtain so everyone is stocking up.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by TwoGamers

Get rid of the guns entirely. Problem solved you won't get anymore school shootings . Australia's period of that. There is no practical reason to have guns publicly available.

You can still buy handguns, shotguns and rifles here in Australia, just not semi-autos.

[U570]

http://vimeo.com/64432171
Segment from The Daily Show about Australia's gun laws (which worked)

Originally Posted by August

Look if it is a false shortage as you claim then it will eventually self correct and those duphuses and dimwits will be left holding the bag. Law of supply and demand.

Unlike you however I don't see reselling as a major contributing factor. People are genuinely scared that the government is going to make ammo too difficult or expensive to obtain so everyone is stocking up.

fair enough but it cannot self correct as long as the stores use predetermined stock purchases they do not adjust for reduced supplies and increased demand. so the way store restock in todays world supply and demand has no effect or impact on what stores do so the laws of supply and demand no longer apply to todays retailers.


duphus and dimwit go buy up all the ammo as fast as the store gets it then THEY, by their actions alone, continue to create a never ending false shortage because the store only get a few shipments a month to restock so when they buy it all there is none for the real ammo buyers and that puts them in a position of having no ammo or buying from said duphus and dimwit at the prices THEY dictate. they game the system because I don't know if you are aware of it but the "stores" don't decide what is ordered or restocked anymore, its all done by computers that will only replace the normal stock amounts and it will not send more no matter how fast the item is sold. the restocking software has no ability to determine when stocks should be reduced or increased based on demand or speeds at which products are bought once they get to the store. this is why most of the time you can only buy patio furniture in the winter time and winter coats in the summer time. at some point the online retailers will destroy the resellers market by offering reasonable prices again but it will be a long time before that works through the system since they too are gouging customers.

I don't like the precident it would set either but as long as THEY are creating the shortages it wont stop unless the stores have the ability to change the amount they reorder (which as explained above they don't) or you stop duphus and dimwit from being able to resell it since you cant and shouldn't try to limit who can buy it.

as long as you can shut down the supply by buying up all that is available before others can have a chance to buy it then they can create the false shortage and dictate the terms and prices it is sold under.