DHS buying armored cars

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Then New Yorks emergency management plans are woefully insufficient for it's population. The state is failing in it's basic duty. The feds would be far better off just making sure that the states plans are up to snuff than it is doing their job for them



What international law has the Federal government ever arrested it's own citizens for violating on US territory? One that would require them to have armored assault capability to enforce.

Ok August, the great state of Massachusetts needs your tax dollars to raise enough MRE/water/blankets/tarps/generators/forklifts/trailers/tractors/John Deere gators/4-wheel drive vehicles to cover everyone in the state. It will be an additional $1000.00 per household per year. Expect a yearly increase. But it does not stop there. Water only last so long and needs to be disposed of so fresh water can be purchased. This is ongoing throughout the year. The warehouse facilities will need to be manned and maintained. Plus, the state will need to add another 50 strategically located warehouses. This of course comes at a cost. We will need for you to pay more "Emergency Tax" to be less woefully prepared. We will need your first installment by tomorrow. Furthermore, have the electrical company purchase more trucks and crews so other companies from other states do not have to come to MA to assist with outages. Bear in mind to cover costs your gas/electric bill will have a nice increase. We after all can not be woefully insufficient in repair crews.

The last time I checked people help people, states help states and the Fed helps the states that have these people who are helping state with people who are helping people. If you have a better solution the boys in DC would love to hear them.


As for the assault vehicle....no one said these are for Fed use only.

[AVGWarhawk]

The armored vehicle conversation is useless. I have found well over 10 "news" cites such as AR15, M14, Teaparty and Infowars concerning the matter. I see a pattern alright.

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On a happy note: DHS was ten (10) years old March 1st

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Ok August, the great state of Massachusetts needs your tax dollars to raise enough MRE/water/blankets/tarps/generators/forklifts/trailers/tractors/John Deere gators/4-wheel drive vehicles to cover everyone in the state. It will be an additional $1000.00 per household per year.

That's fine. If the citizens of the great state of Massachusetts weren't paying 30% or more of their earnings to the federal government maybe we could easily afford it. You feds like to take our money then hand a little of it back with all kinds of strings attached. I say keep our money here where it belongs.

As for the assault vehicle....no one said these are for Fed use only.

You keep saying that but it sure looks like a police vehicle to me.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The armored vehicle conversation is useless. I have found well over 10 "news" cites such as AR15, M14, Teaparty and Infowars concerning the matter. I see a pattern alright.

I see a far more extensive pattern of government types trying to stifle conversation by vilifying the opposition.

Then New Yorks emergency management plans are woefully insufficient for it's population. The state is failing in it's basic duty. The feds would be far better off just making sure that the states plans are up to snuff than it is doing their job for them

Unbelievable.
The problem with a states disaster response and the states emergency supplies is that when the disaster hits that state it hits that agency and those supplies.
Common sense shows the state level approach you advocate makes no sense.

@Warhawk

The armored vehicle conversation is useless. I have found well over 10 "news" cites such as AR15, M14, Teaparty and Infowars concerning the matter. I see a pattern alright.

Are you saying its crazy conspiracy rants along the lines of the boy scouts secret army of Obamas nazi dentists

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Furthermore, have the electrical company purchase more trucks and crews so other companies from other states do not have to come to MA to assist with outages. Bear in mind to cover costs your gas/electric bill will have a nice increase. We after all can not be woefully insufficient in repair crews.

And BTW the Federal government does not dispatch electrical crews. Last I checked that was a private company. Of course it wouldn't be the first time the feds claimed credit for something they have nothing to do with.

I think august is upset that the Kennedy left his state so the evil feds could house the electrical crews onboard in her in NY.

[AVGWarhawk]

Tribesman

The problem with a states disaster response and the states emergency supplies is that when the disaster hits that state it hits that agency and those supplies.

You nailed it sir. Lock, stock and barrel. When we stage for FEMA is it just outside the area that will be affected. Once said storm passed it is safe to go in with supplies and driver intact.

August

And BTW the Federal government does not dispatch electrical crews. Last I checked that was a private company. Of course it wouldn't be the first time the feds claimed credit for something they have nothing to do with.

I did not state the Fed sends repair crews. I stated people helping people. States helping states. Fed helping all. Last I checked, which is monthly when I see my utility bill, these are private companies.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

August

I did not state the Fed sends repair crews. I stated people helping people. States helping states. Fed helping all. Last I checked, which is monthly when I see my utility bill, these are private companies.

So since we're discussing what the Federal government provides to the states what does this have to do with it?

Furthermore, have the electrical company purchase more trucks and crews so other companies from other states do not have to come to MA to assist with outages

Is it just piling on to make your point seem more valid?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Is it just piling on to make your point seem more valid?

The point is, this is not cut and dry. There are many facets to the conglomerate known as the DHS. Each work independently but work together for a common goal.

There are enough whistle blowers and watchdogs on the Fed they can not fart without someone or media entity making a stink about it.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The point is, this is not cut and dry. There are many facets to the conglomerate known as the DHS. Each work independently but work together for a common goal.

But last I checked utility companies weren't part of your federal conglomerate so I don't see the reason for their inclusion.

There are enough whistle blowers and watchdogs on the Fed they can not fart without someone or media entity making a stink about it.

And apparently not without someone in government trying to dismiss that stink. What you say may be true, now, but that still doesn't justify Federal law enforcement obtaining armored vehicles.

Stick to providing blankets and bottled water and there won't be a stink.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

But last I checked utility companies weren't part of your federal conglomerate so I don't see the reason for their inclusion.

And apparently not without someone in government trying to dismiss that stink. What you say may be true, now, but that still doesn't justify Federal law enforcement obtaining armored vehicles.

Stick to providing blankets and bottled water and there won't be a stink.

The inclusion of the electrical crews is as stated, people helping people. States helping states. You have seen many times of this activity after a storm. It is an example of the system that for some feel is being brought down by a purchase of armor vehicles and such.

There are a lot of things the Fed does that is not justifiable. Such as your paying for universal healthcare. Does it make it right then to purchase these vehicles because the Fed does a lot of unjustifiable things? Certainly not. Has anyone asked what these will be used for? Border protection? Not that I can find.

FEMA sticks to blankest and bottled water. Plus 4 wheel driver vehicles, front end loaders. John Deere gators and a plethora of other vehicles. But, the article says the DHS purchased these. Not FEMA. Again, the DHS is all agencies. These could go to ICE and other agencies that have a need.

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Hmmm what part of DHS could need armored vehicles...

... oh... what about the division that has been operating them since the 40's; the US Secret Service?

The USSS is in charge of protecting not just POTUS and the VP but other heads of state on visits to the US and in some instances foreign embassies. The USSS also has several tactical response teams that might need a MRAP type vehicle to complete their mission.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Has anyone asked what these will be used for? Border protection? Not that I can find.

Then you didn't read the opening paragraph of the Business Insider article I linked to in the OP.

The Department of Homeland Security is using 16 military-style, mine-resistant ambush protected vehicles for use during "high-risk warrants," according to an official spokesman.

That's "High risk warrants", not border security, not delivering water bottles or blankets. These are combat vehicles and that's apparently what they are going to be used for unless you have some information to the contrary.