Waitress fired after posting controversial pastor receipt - Page 2

Buddahaid · 02-01-13, 02:03 PM

The pastor is a she and the she was part of a group of eight. It's common practice to have the gratuity automatically figured in large groups, although eight isn't all that large. She deserves all the ridicule she will get for being such a dipstick.

Jimbuna · 02-01-13, 02:18 PM

No built in tips here in the UK as far as I'm aware so 15 -20% is reasonable provided the service is good.

AVGWarhawk · 02-01-13, 02:20 PM

In my neck of the woods generally 8 or more the gratuity is automatically calculated. I'm not always a fan of this practice because it kind of provides the right for the server to handle the service how they wish while still receiving the automatic gratuity. In other words, you don't have a say(monetarily) if the service is bad.

Jimbuna · 02-01-13, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

In my neck of the woods generally 8 or more the gratuity is automatically calculated. I'm not always a fan of this practice because it kind of provides the right for the server to handle the service how they wish while still receiving the automatic gratuity. In other words, you don't have a say(monetarily) if the service is bad.

I'd consider that slightly dictatorial and quite honestly offputting.

02-01-13, 02:36 PM

I travel all over the U.S. and We have a little game We play.

We place a stack of dollar bills on the table when We sit down.
If service is slow or bad, We'll start takeing a bill off the stack depending on our aggravation level.

Whatever is left on the stack when We leave is the tip.
We're not cheap skates as the stack may hold an amount higher then the meal at the start.

You can bet that if We go back service improves greatly!

AVGWarhawk · 02-01-13, 02:44 PM

Once my brother, at a restaurant, asked the waitress no less than 5 times for ketchup. It never came. When he got up to leave he stated to waitress he left the tip under the ketchup.

fireftr18 · 02-01-13, 02:49 PM

I like to think I tip generously. Resturaunts so underpay the wait staff that they rely on tips just to make money. I think the practice on the part of the resturant is wrong. The wait staff should get good pay in exchange for doing a good job. The staff shouldn't have to rely on the generousity of patrons for pay.

02-01-13, 02:54 PM

My Wife is working at the Local VFW as a Bar Bitc..., I mean Bar Maid.
Mostly the tips are fair from the members.
A few were pretty cheap in that area.
Until they asked her who her Husband was.
Seems I beat the crap outta them years ago!

Onkel Neal · 02-01-13, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

In my neck of the woods generally 8 or more the gratuity is automatically calculated. I'm not always a fan of this practice because it kind of provides the right for the server to handle the service how they wish while still receiving the automatic gratuity. In other words, you don't have a say(monetarily) if the service is bad.

It's necessary to have that for large parties because in many cases, a party of 8 will tip like a party of 3.

Now, if the service is bad, you can ask to speak to the manager. That's definitely a bigger pushback than leaving a scanty tip. When I was the manager at the Crowne Plaza hotel and handled the restaurant duties as well, when I got a complaint or concern about service, they were handled graciously and received comps. The server was retrained. But as the manager, unless I was called away to a different part of the hotel, I felt it was my duty to observe the service level and ensure it was up to the highest standards.

AVGWarhawk · 02-01-13, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

It's necessary to have that for large parties because in many cases, a party of 8 will tip like a party of 3.

Which is odd because customary is 15% of the total bill. The bill would be greater for the larger group, yes?

vienna · 02-01-13, 03:26 PM

I always tip well for services that are rendered well. I also make an effort to be very nice to wait staff; I would kind of like it if, at the end of the day, the person I was nice to thought, "Wow, what a hard day, but, you know there was that one nice customer..."...

I bartended at a rock club here in Hollywood in the mid-70s and had to suffer through the ego trips of many patrons, among them some celebrities, who seemed to think the world owed them everything for just being there. There were some good moments such as when a few members of Sha-Na-Na (!) came into the club. They were rather ill-treated by some of the "too cool for the room" rock wannabes in the club but, just after they left, their manager came back into the club and presented me with a $100 tip on behalf of the guys and said they thanked me for being nice to them during their visit. Back in the 70s, $100 was a goodly amount of money and I was happy to recieve the tip. Another person who was a bit of a regular was Keith Moon. He always came in and was just a great friend to everyone who worked at the club. He would always ask how I was doing and he really was sincere in asking. Once when I took a turn at running the door, there was was an altercation I was involved in and the manager and bouncer both grabbed the guy I had the hassle with and shoved him out the door and gave him a good thrashing. As I was trying to restore some order at the door, Moon suddenly appeared at my side, rolling up his sleeves, saying "I heard there was a fight, do you need any help?" I told him it was basically over and he asked if I was OK, and when I sais "Yes", he said just to let him know if there was any further problems and went back to his table in the club. When Moon went back to England, just before he left, he dropped by the club and gave each of the employees a gift as a thank you for treating him so well...

Those were things done by people who didn't have to do what they did and there were others who were just as nice and I remember them wll even after nearly 40 years. That's why I remember how I felt and when I am someplace where there is wait staff or bartenders, I try to treat them as I had wanted to be trated when I was in their situation...

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donna52522 · 02-01-13, 04:06 PM

Why does the pastor only give 10% to God...shouldn't he give 110%?

AVGWarhawk · 02-01-13, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by donna52522

Why does the pastor only give 10% to God...shouldn't he give 110%?

The tithe is 10%. But, yes, I would think the pastor would give 110% figuratively speaking.

Skybird · 02-01-13, 04:18 PM

I expect to be payed by the guy who employs me and for whom to work I accepted - and that is my employer, the company, boss, maitre de maison, whomever.

Tips are not meant to replace ordinary and regular income for the work done. They are meant as an additional bonus by a guests who is pleased by the good service and wants to say thanks and express his appreciations for some performance that has gone beyond the minimum standard niveau that has to be expected for the price that got payed to the house.

If an employer reduces the wages to his staff because he sees tips coming in for his staff, then he somewhat takes these guests' gifts to service staff for himself - by refusing the staff the wage that there work really is worth. You could pay the tip directly to the manager in the backroom then.

By this you can in principle justify that employers do not pay their employed staff any wages at all. That is the logic of a pimp, then. You could even argue then that employed people not only do not get payed out wages, but that they have to pay a certain amount of their tips to the employer for giving them the place where they could try to collect tips. Capitalism is great, isn't it.

Any economical structure and so: jobs as well should be established on the basis that somebody doing a normal regular weeks schedule of working hours gets payed a salary by his employer that is fair and enables him to make a living. Else the economic branch is unhealthy and rotten, and anti-social. In return, everybody taking money for his working hours should return working quality that justifies these payments. If the one or the other is not given, the employer fires the employed (work results do not justify the wages payed out), or the employed leaves by himself (wages payeddo not justify the work one delivers).

So, giving tips is not a compensation for the salaries the employer does not pay out. It is an extra gift given by the guest for appreciating the performance by staff.

To me, the situation as described - tips needing to compensate for too low wages - is nothing else but abusive behavior by the employer. It kills the intention of the guest. It does not motivate for "standard+better" performance by giving additional cash, but it enslaves people to perform always better without having any additional value for that. Because the added value gets substracted from their ordinary payment by their employer.

Almost a prototypic capitalistic constellation of abuse, imo. Ferenghis no doubt love it.

fireftr18 · 02-01-13, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

The tithe is 10%. But, yes, I would think the pastor would give 110% figuratively speaking.

And the way it seems, I bet she sits down and calculates exactly 10% and not a penny more.

vienna, it goes back to "The Golden Rule" that we're all taught. In other words, treat others as you would want to be treated.

02-01-13, 02:03 PM	#16
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	The pastor is a she and the she was part of a group of eight. It's common practice to have the gratuity automatically figured in large groups, although eight isn't all that large. She deserves all the ridicule she will get for being such a dipstick. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

02-01-13, 02:18 PM	#17
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,500 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	No built in tips here in the UK as far as I'm aware so 15 -20% is reasonable provided the service is good. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

02-01-13, 02:20 PM	#18
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	In my neck of the woods generally 8 or more the gratuity is automatically calculated. I'm not always a fan of this practice because it kind of provides the right for the server to handle the service how they wish while still receiving the automatic gratuity. In other words, you don't have a say(monetarily) if the service is bad. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-01-13, 02:44 PM	#21
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,253 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Once my brother, at a restaurant, asked the waitress no less than 5 times for ketchup. It never came. When he got up to leave he stated to waitress he left the tip under the ketchup. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

02-01-13, 02:49 PM	#22
fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,528 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	I like to think I tip generously. Resturaunts so underpay the wait staff that they rely on tips just to make money. I think the practice on the part of the resturant is wrong. The wait staff should get good pay in exchange for doing a good job. The staff shouldn't have to rely on the generousity of patrons for pay. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!

02-01-13, 02:36 PM	#20
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I travel all over the U.S. and We have a little game We play. We place a stack of dollar bills on the table when We sit down. If service is slow or bad, We'll start takeing a bill off the stack depending on our aggravation level. Whatever is left on the stack when We leave is the tip. We're not cheap skates as the stack may hold an amount higher then the meal at the start. You can bet that if We go back service improves greatly!

02-01-13, 02:54 PM	#23
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	My Wife is working at the Local VFW as a Bar Bitc..., I mean Bar Maid. Mostly the tips are fair from the members. A few were pretty cheap in that area. Until they asked her who her Husband was. Seems I beat the crap outta them years ago!

02-01-13, 03:26 PM	#26
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,711 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I always tip well for services that are rendered well. I also make an effort to be very nice to wait staff; I would kind of like it if, at the end of the day, the person I was nice to thought, "Wow, what a hard day, but, you know there was that one nice customer..."... I bartended at a rock club here in Hollywood in the mid-70s and had to suffer through the ego trips of many patrons, among them some celebrities, who seemed to think the world owed them everything for just being there. There were some good moments such as when a few members of Sha-Na-Na (!) came into the club. They were rather ill-treated by some of the "too cool for the room" rock wannabes in the club but, just after they left, their manager came back into the club and presented me with a $100 tip on behalf of the guys and said they thanked me for being nice to them during their visit. Back in the 70s, $100 was a goodly amount of money and I was happy to recieve the tip. Another person who was a bit of a regular was Keith Moon. He always came in and was just a great friend to everyone who worked at the club. He would always ask how I was doing and he really was sincere in asking. Once when I took a turn at running the door, there was was an altercation I was involved in and the manager and bouncer both grabbed the guy I had the hassle with and shoved him out the door and gave him a good thrashing. As I was trying to restore some order at the door, Moon suddenly appeared at my side, rolling up his sleeves, saying "I heard there was a fight, do you need any help?" I told him it was basically over and he asked if I was OK, and when I sais "Yes", he said just to let him know if there was any further problems and went back to his table in the club. When Moon went back to England, just before he left, he dropped by the club and gave each of the employees a gift as a thank you for treating him so well... Those were things done by people who didn't have to do what they did and there were others who were just as nice and I remember them wll even after nearly 40 years. That's why I remember how I felt and when I am someplace where there is wait staff or bartenders, I try to treat them as I had wanted to be trated when I was in their situation... <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __

02-01-13, 04:06 PM	#27
donna52522 Lady Mariner Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 544 Downloads: 225 Uploads: 0	Why does the pastor only give 10% to God...shouldn't he give 110%? __________________

02-01-13, 04:18 PM	#29
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,609 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I expect to be payed by the guy who employs me and for whom to work I accepted - and that is my employer, the company, boss, maitre de maison, whomever. Tips are not meant to replace ordinary and regular income for the work done. They are meant as an additional bonus by a guests who is pleased by the good service and wants to say thanks and express his appreciations for some performance that has gone beyond the minimum standard niveau that has to be expected for the price that got payed to the house. If an employer reduces the wages to his staff because he sees tips coming in for his staff, then he somewhat takes these guests' gifts to service staff for himself - by refusing the staff the wage that there work really is worth. You could pay the tip directly to the manager in the backroom then. By this you can in principle justify that employers do not pay their employed staff any wages at all. That is the logic of a pimp, then. You could even argue then that employed people not only do not get payed out wages, but that they have to pay a certain amount of their tips to the employer for giving them the place where they could try to collect tips. Capitalism is great, isn't it. Any economical structure and so: jobs as well should be established on the basis that somebody doing a normal regular weeks schedule of working hours gets payed a salary by his employer that is fair and enables him to make a living. Else the economic branch is unhealthy and rotten, and anti-social. In return, everybody taking money for his working hours should return working quality that justifies these payments. If the one or the other is not given, the employer fires the employed (work results do not justify the wages payed out), or the employed leaves by himself (wages payeddo not justify the work one delivers). So, giving tips is not a compensation for the salaries the employer does not pay out. It is an extra gift given by the guest for appreciating the performance by staff. To me, the situation as described - tips needing to compensate for too low wages - is nothing else but abusive behavior by the employer. It kills the intention of the guest. It does not motivate for "standard+better" performance by giving additional cash, but it enslaves people to perform always better without having any additional value for that. Because the added value gets substracted from their ordinary payment by their employer. Almost a prototypic capitalistic constellation of abuse, imo. Ferenghis no doubt love it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 02-01-13 at 04:28 PM.