What are the acceptable limits of the 2nd Amendment?

[Armistead]

The true number of guns is probably around a billion. Most studies say they're over 200,000 guns per year smuggled into the US, including full autos. Anyone that wants to buy one, doing a little leg work, can easily buy one, inner cities are full of them.

I may have said, but the US public owns more fully autos than the police, about 300,000.

The majority of Americans will never turn in their guns and all this talk has done is increase the buying of all guns 300%.

I don't see anything getting passed, cept maybe 100% background check on legally purchased guns.

Many of the gun states have already made it clear they will ignore gun laws passed by the feds.

[Betonov]

It's a gun culture. Let them have their guns. If I move there and get citizenship I'll buy myself some guns.

I love guns, but I love my countries gun control better. Would never support a free carry here. But even here if I decide to shoot up my village, it would take me a few weeks to get an AK.

The solution is the hardest to implement. Less guns won't solve it. It's identifying the psycho before the bloody deed.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

The US Congress is expert in going around buoys on most every matter I don't see why that would change.Also the general public does not support total bans as I understand universal background checks are most widely supported.

I certainly agree with that.

Honestly banning certain firearms is not going to stop anyone from shooting children or anyone for that matter.A person like that will find a way people in China run into schools and stab kids to death.If you made magazine size limited then a person simply carries more magazines. If you ban all guns they'll use a knife or some other weapon or make some type of bomb.

Given the lack of evidence supporting your claim I have to disagree. In fact the evidence here in Australia is that since the restrictions on military style semi-auto's (1997) there have been ZERO mass shootings in Australia. Did it remove all violent crime here? No and there are still deaths caused by gunshot wounds all to regularly. However nothing like Port Arthur, Newman, Aurora, Comumbine etc. has happened since. Did it reduce the risk? Do the math.

You can still obtain semi-automatic rifles here. They are even manufactured here: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...41524429,d.aGc

Its just that much harder and the restrictions make it harder for nutters to get hold of them.

No offense

The standard precursor to a very offensive statement.

but from what I understand Australia seems to be very much a nanny state they even have restrictions on what can be in video games and entertainment.

Do your research before you make ludicrous statements. http://civilliberty.about.com/od/fre...Censorship.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_..._rating_system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral...fication_Board

No thanks I say I'll take the risks of having a little more freedom myself.

I'd rather live in a place where I do not feel the need to carry a gun to protect myself and my family. Oh wait... I do.

Does our government annoy me. Yes. Do they do stupid things. Yes. Are there restrictions on my life I don't like. Yes. Having visited the US several times I find the intrusion of Homeland security much more invasive and "nanny state" than anything I've seen out here.

[Stealhead]

@Tarjak You got me there I had heard the "nanny state" complaints from some Aussies on holiday while back.Not sure where I heard the part about the control over media.I never really went into in depth research on the topic honestly.

I am unsure what makes you think that people feel unsafe without a firearm in the US.This does not seem to be the view held by every American or even a majority.I easily know personally more people that dislike firearms or do not feel the need to own one.

In Australia the strict regulation may have had an effect thing is how many murders did it really prevent?Did the violent crime rate go down and was it because of simply the firearms restrictions? The way I see it many things can have an effect on crime.

@Armistead There is no way that there are 1 billion firearms in the US not modern functional ones that is an over estimation by a substantial amount. Personally I feel that the number of illegal firearms in the US is greatly exaggerated by parties that wish to claim that firearms laws only punish "good guys".

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

@Tarjak You got me there I had heard the "nanny state" complaints from some Aussies on holiday while back.Not sure where I heard the part about the control over media.I never really went into in depth research on the topic honestly.

I am unsure what makes you think that people feel unsafe without a firearm in the US.This does not seem to be the view held by every American or even a majority.I easily know personally more people that dislike firearms or do not feel the need to own one.

Mainly some of the comments from people I've met both here and in the US. Quite a lot of comments here on Subsim also. I know no-one here (yes there will be some I don't know), who owns a weapon for home defence. I know many people who are gun owners, but all only have them for hunting or recreational (target), shooting.

In Australia the strict regulation may have had an effect thing is how many murders did it really prevent?Did the violent crime rate go down and was it because of simply the firearms restrictions? The way I see it many things can have an effect on crime.

I agree there are many things which can have an effect on crime, however this legislation, (as the proposed US legislation is), was aimed at a particular type of crime. So far since introduction here, there has not been a repeat of that type of crime. Shootings still happen and violent crime still happens and criminals still have illegal guns, but nutters don't go on rampages in schools or public places.

[Buddahaid]

Tarjak, just how many assault style weapons were confiscated there? How many mass shootings before? Could you're statistic be skewed due to low numbers in the first place.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Tarjak, just how many assault style weapons were confiscated there? How many mass shootings before? Could you're statistic be skewed due to low numbers in the first place.

There were 13 mass shootings between 1978 and 1996. After gun control legislation was passed, there were none.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Tarjak, just how many assault style weapons were confiscated there? How many mass shootings before? Could you're statistic be skewed due to low numbers in the first place.

There we over 600,000 weapons bought back by the government and over a million volunteered under an amnesty.

Small in comparison to the US, but comparable on a per capita basis. Interesting factoid is that recently gun ownership went through the pre- 1997 levels. http://www.smh.com.au/national/austr...113-2cnnq.html

Its just the type of guns that changed.

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[Stealhead]

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Long time no see there old Ducimus.
I liked the Reds fan video and I like hickok45's channel his vids are long but always interesting.

[Armistead]

Good to see you posting Duci, didn't know what happened to you, even started a post asking about you and wanted to know you were OK.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Long time no see there old Ducimus.
I liked the Reds fan video and I like hickok45's channel his vids are long but always interesting.

Watch them all. Every argument i could make, hell every argument ANY pro gun person could make is there.

Originally Posted by Armistead

Good to see you posting Duci, didn't know what happened to you, even started a post asking about you and wanted to know you were OK.

Yeah i saw that. Responded to it. Basically, i found a new hobby. Target shooting. Wife and I go every weekend, and if that wasn't enough im reloading our own ammo, which is a hobby unto itself. So yeah im definatly pro gun. I don't think its right that the whole country should have their constitutional rights infringed because of a handful of nutjobs.

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If you can name one just mass murderer from the past decade then its insane as you are making them into heroes?????
What a muppet

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Made me chuckle, good finds Duc

good finds Duc

Not really, most of it is in the same level as the Brady bunch but on the opposite end of the scale.
Kopel does make a good point on capacity, but his statement on shotguns under the '34 act is absolutely ridiculous.