Catholic Transparency...

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

And I know you were joking, but the bible just TICKS ME OFF!

How can you call yourself a Christian then? The Bible is the only original source for the life of Christ. Everything else stems from that.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

It is, but these people can hardly call themselves Christian if they shelter paedophiles.

The way you quote me give what I really said a total twist. I have not said myself nor is it my opinion what you quoted me with.

Beyond that, forgiveness seen as a duty is no forgiveness, but duress. So, no, there is no Christian duty to forgive. A therapeutic recommendation maybe, a advice or encouragement, but not a duty or obligation

The pope says that obedience towards the church shall be the believer's most important duty (told to the American public during his welcome in the US). Not obedience to God, or the gospel or moral principles - the church, which is the most profane instance of them all.

Now that explains a bit why that Bishop tried to silence criticism and gloss of the church hiding pedophile rapists by telling the public that forgiveness shall be mandatory for Christians, eh?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Armistead

One of the best debates ever with the late Chris Hitchens and Fry debating against Catholic leaders..

Now a classic.

[Skybird]

Just in: the Catholic church has filed a formal notice of distringas against the director of the institute who is engaged with the the project. He should stop saying that the church wants to censor the study's findings and he should stop to encourage victims for cooperation and asking them for allowing interviews about their cases.

A well-known theologist from the city I live in menawhile voiced his suspicion that a monumental fight for power is leading the bishops to trying to prevent the study, fearing the sheer dimension of the revelation about the crimes. In the past couple of years Germany has seen a wave of revelations about sexual abuse and pedophile rape in the church, Kindergardens and in schools of the so-called reform-pedagogical spectrum.

In other words the bishops try to isolate the victims even more.

The director so far refused to comment, just giving an announcement that he wants to seek juristic advisory before commenting.

Politicians and victim groups have started to nuke the church, literally.

This all will backfire against the church. Not that there is much reputation left that could get lost.

P.S. German reform-pedagogic - another thing I love so very very damn much. It's another term for "education to dilettantism".

[HundertzehnGustav]

The only thing left of the church should be the building.
The bible is nothing but a piece of propaganda and soap opera of over 2000 years ago. and a Bad one at that!

"...ich glaube an die heilige katholische kirche..."

my rear fender! I always skip that part.

Just Yesterday i buried my grandmom. And the love she gave us as kids, the "Robe" quickly pretended the source of that love was not my Grandmom, but that source was God and Jesus.

I sat there, and wanted to nuke that mofo for using the good qualities of my Grandmother in order to pour propaganda on our Heads, God is the source of all love, and the catholic church distributes that love in the mess and the celebrations n stuff.


Church... [random insults]

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

The only thing left of the church should be the building.
The bible is nothing but a piece of propaganda and soap opera of over 2000 years ago. and a Bad one at that!

"...ich glaube an die heilige katholische kirche..."

my rear fender! I always skip that part.

Just Yesterday i buried my grandmom. And the love she gave us as kids, the "Robe" quickly pretended the source of that love was not my Grandmom, but that source was God and Jesus.

I sat there, and wanted to nuke that mofo for using the good qualities of my Grandmother in order to pour propaganda on our Heads, God is the source of all love, and the catholic church distributes that love in the mess and the celebrations n stuff.


Church... [random insults]

I feel you Gustav, and my condolences.
I had the same thing 2 weeks ago when I attented my granny-in-law's funeral, also in a catholic church. She was also a good person, certainly inspired by Christianity, but she did good deeds on her own, not because the church wanted her to do so.
It was very different from my own grandmother's funeral, who had an evangelic funeral. There I felt that the event was really about her and didn't feel like attending a long commercial break for the church.

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Penguin

It was very different from my own grandmother's funeral, who had an evangelic funeral. There I felt that the event was really about her and didn't feel like attending a long commercial break for the church.

Yeah, this has been my experience as well from the Lutheran funerals, not that I have any experience of Catholic or any other ones. Though it did feel silly when I was attending my grandfather's funeral and there was this priest going on and on about how good man he was. Well sure, he was. But dude, you didn't, like, ever meet him or know him. You're just there telling everyone of us, his relatives, what a great guy this complete stranger was. I bet you didn't even write that speech yourself.

Personally I hope the only eulogy I'll have will be a letter written by me, myself and I. It will be very short and to the point: "I'm dead. What the bloody heck do you dolts still want?! Just go take your free coffee and cake and stop bothering me already!"

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Penguin

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A reason is certainly that they have less surpressed sexuality as they are allowed to marry, same goes for Protestant priests.

No sir, the sexual abuse among the Rabbi is as numerous as the Catholics.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

How can you call yourself a Christian then? The Bible is the only original source for the life of Christ. Everything else stems from that.

Which bible or should I say which scripts? There is nothing original about the bible.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Which bible or should I say which scripts? There is nothing original about the bible.

Also true. My point was that you can't claim to follow someone whose life is taken from one source, and then claim to not believe the source.

[sharkbit]

Originally Posted by Hottentot

Personally I hope the only eulogy I'll have will be a letter written by me, myself and I. It will be very short and to the point: "I'm dead. What the bloody heck do you dolts still want?! Just go take your free coffee and cake and stop bothering me already!"

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

How can you call yourself a Christian then? The Bible is the only original source for the life of Christ. Everything else stems from that.

Eh. There's only one sentence in any Christian literature that I'm going to take literally. 'Love thy Neighbour as you love yourself.'

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

Eh. There's only one sentence in any Christian literature that I'm going to take literally. 'Love thy Neighbour as you love yourself.'

You might be interested to know that at least 20 people said that same thing long before Christ was born.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule

My point is still the same: There is only one source for the very existence of Jesus. How does one claim to be his follower and refuse to acknowledge that source?

[Cybermat47]

I do acknowledge the Bible, but I also recognise that people have changed it other the centuries. I mean, I really can't believe that a God who loves everyone would punish some people merely because of their sexuality. It's my theory that all those writings about non-believers burning in hell were simply added to control people out of fear, to forcefully stop them from leaving their faith. That's the reason the bible annoys me.

And what do you mean only one source for his very existence? Jesus was a genuine historical figure who was born in Bethlehem, spread his message of love and forgiveness, and was crucified by the Romans. Even Richard Dawkins thinks so! Wether or not he was a divine being, a prophet or a rambling lunatic is open to debate.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Cybermat47

I do acknowledge the Bible, but I also recognise that people have changed it other the centuries. I mean, I really can't believe that a God who loves everyone would punish some people merely because of their sexuality. It's my theory that all those writings about non-believers burning in hell were simply added to control people out of fear, to forcefully stop them from leaving their faith. That's the reason the bible annoys me.

I fail to see how you can call yourself a Christian when you blatently reject Christian scripture. Every single Christian denomination holds that the Bible, whichever version they endorse, is the Word of God. You cannot dismiss that and claim to be a Christian.