Assange needs to go to the hospital

[Skybird]

Laws. Are just that.

Not more.

They can be meant to serve the good, or the evil.

But once hijacked, even laws meant to serve the good, can serve the purpose of the bad and the evil instead.

And then the untouchable status of said laws better is to be questioned. Else you end up in some really troubling and inhumane regimes and conditions.

It's tricky to assess when is what. In Assange's case, the very high probability of all this being a plot to just get him, no matter how, is very high.

This story stinks. From all beginning on.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by STEED

If he needs treatment send him to a Bupa hospital where he will have to cough up and pay.

I doubt those who put up bail for him will be all that eager to pay his medical expenses either.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Laws. Are just that.

Not more.

They can be meant to serve the good, or the evil.

But once hijacked, even laws meant to serve the good, can serve the purpose of the bad and the evil instead.

And then the untouchable status of said laws better is to be questioned. Else you end up in some really troubling and inhumane regimes and conditions.

It's tricky to assess when is what. In Assange's case, the very high probability of all this being a plot to just get him, no matter how, is very high.

This story stinks. From all beginning on.

Sky, he went right through our judicial system and failed to get the result he wanted at every point of the process, he then jumped bail and as such is in breach of UK law, the same law everyone else in the UK apart from the monarch and diplomats is subject to.

I'm unaware of any evidence to support any conspiracy theories and as far as I'm aware, both the UK and Swedish governments have given assurances he won't be extradited to the US.

As far as I'm aware it is actually harder in Swedish law to extradite when compared to the process involved regarding the UK.

Assange has painted himself into said corner, nobody else.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Sky, he went right through our judicial system and failed to get the result he wanted at every point of the process, he then jumped bail and as such is in breach of UK law, the same law everyone else in the UK apart from the monarch and diplomats is subject to.

I'm unaware of any evidence to support any conspiracy theories and as far as I'm aware, both the UK and Swedish governments have given assurances he won't be extradited to the US.

As far as I'm aware it is actually harder in Swedish law to extradite when compared to the process involved regarding the UK.

Assange has painted himself into said corner, nobody else.

That is because he knows the Swedish case has merit, and is dodging prison by using the USA as a scapegoat.

I said this before, and will say it again.

The USA has never expressed interest in extradition. Nor has there been any official charged levied against him.

We are a country of laws, despite what outside insurectionists like Assange try to portray to the world.

Percieved fear is his martyrdom, he is the internet version of Kim Kardashian, nothing more than a tabloid drama-whore, anything for attention.

I suppose next him and the lockerbie bomber will have dinner.

[Gargamel]

Originally Posted by Platapus

As long as he is only an accused rapist, yes.

Now, once he is convicted of rape, that's a different story

You want to know another name for an "accused rapist"?

An "innocent man" (until proven guilty in a court of law)

So a fugitive on the run from international extradition laws is Ok? Innocent until proven guilty does not mean you are innocent if you can flee from the court.

[soopaman2]

I ask for justice with Swedish laws applying.

no special crap because he is "ace buku" anti American, who deserves a pass because he is so daring and full of courage to take on the eternal evil beast known as America, who never did nothing right, but is to blame for all world ills.

Screw us, yeah please ban me, I am sick of explaining myself and my country to heathens of European, and Muslim descent who wish to trash us.

Picture your world without America you scum.!

I am so sick of being the universal bad guy.

This subject makes me angry, I hate how many people see Assange as a hero, I see him and his supporters as traitors who need a noose and a priest reading last rites.

Fuff (pronounced foof) the world, ban me. Now

If America became isolationist during the '40s,, alot of the world would be in trouble.

Unless you liked Hitler.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

I ask for justice with Swedish laws applying.

no special crap because he is "ace buku" anti American, who deserves a pass because he is so daring and full of courage to take on the eternal evil beast known as America, who never did nothing right, but is to blame for all world ills.

Screw us, yeah please ban me, I am sick of explaining myself and my country to heathens of European, and Muslim descent who wish to trash us.

Picture your world without America you scum.!

I am so sick of being the universal bad guy.

Keep a cool head matey....I don't see anyone on here trying to trash anyone but rather a differing of opinions and perhaps the odd onspiracy theory thrown in for added value.

Assange will have his day of justice whichever way it goes and wherever the venue might be.

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Keep a cool head matey....I don't see anyone on here trying to trash anyone but rather a differing of opinions and perhaps the odd onspiracy theory thrown in for added value.

Assange will have his day of justice whichever way it goes and wherever the venue might be.

Sorry Mr. Buna, but that is what this case has become, the world vs. the USA.

I just want people to see what we done as a people and a government, before jumping onto this scums bandwagon and villifying us.

He is an Aussie. Perhaps they need to feel N korea like sanctions too, since they think it is so funny.

I am sick of kissing backsides of countries who hate us. it is not fair to our taxpayers.

Aussie land , Pakistan, China, Afghanistan, Germany, they all hate us, yet " need" us for something.

Go away, all of you.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Sky, he went right through our judicial system and failed to get the result he wanted at every point of the process, he then jumped bail and as such is in breach of UK law, the same law everyone else in the UK apart from the monarch and diplomats is subject to.

I'm unaware of any evidence to support any conspiracy theories and as far as I'm aware, both the UK and Swedish governments have given assurances he won't be extradited to the US.

As far as I'm aware it is actually harder in Swedish law to extradite when compared to the process involved regarding the UK.

Assange has painted himself into said corner, nobody else.

I agree with your lines Jim,

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Sorry Mr. Buna, but that is what this case has become, the world vs. the USA.

Well you cannot say this happened without a reason ?
In this case some nasty things like killing civilians, torture, and breaking your own laws "for the cause" came to light, and now you go after the messenger ? It would have come out anyway, i assure you ! Your own soldiers think what you did is wrong !

I have not seen ONE excuse from your oh so great nation about your principles and ideas, having them broken one by one !

This is the 21st century dammit, not the middle ages !
Maybe if you would not boast 24 hours a day how great a nation you were, people might see it in a more sympathetic way !!
The best of the best of the best blahblah, ok i admit all you are the best, the top, the best after the invention of sliced bread but just shut up about it ONE DAMN DAY !

I am sick of kissing backsides of countries who hate us. it is not fair to our taxpayers.

YOU ?! Not fair to your TAXPAYERS ? They pay taxes to finance your one trillion dollar jet plane and maybe even more for your just-built NSA eavesdropping installation near Cheyenne, but cringe when a percent of that should be given to homeless and poor, or to a health system that is worth its NAME !

We do not hate you, but you behave like an elephant in porcelain store.
Get real man !

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Vendor

I agree with your lines Jim,

Spoken with reality in mind

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Spoken with reality in mind

I now,

[Jimbuna]

Don't forget to tell the Swedes they need to pay half the 'policing' bill

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Don't forget to tell the Swedes they need to pay half the 'policing' bill

Nice one, I promise that,

[soopaman2]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Well you cannot say this happened without a reason ?
In this case some nasty things like killing civilians, torture, and breaking your own laws "for the cause" came to light, and now you go after the messenger ? It would have come out anyway, i assure you ! Your own soldiers think what you did is wrong !

I have not seen ONE excuse from your oh so great nation about your principles and ideas, having them broken one by one !

This is the 21st century dammit, not the middle ages !
Maybe if you would not boast 24 hours a day how great a nation you were, people might see it in a more sympathetic way !!
The best of the best of the best blahblah, ok i admit all you are the best, the top, the best after the invention of sliced bread but just shut up about it ONE DAMN DAY !



YOU ?! Not fair to your TAXPAYERS ? They pay taxes to finance your one trillion dollar jet plane and maybe even more for your just-built NSA eavesdropping installation near Cheyenne, but cringe when a percent of that should be given to homeless and poor, or to a health system that is worth its NAME !

We do not hate you, but you behave like an elephant in porcelain store.
Get real man !

My point is "joe Average" has to eat the stigma of our governments behaviour, that is not fair.

I do not care if some helicopter pilots gunned down some guys with RPG's later identified as cameras.

I can give a crap, I buried a brother who was forced to ignore militants when they ran into mosques after mortaring us. I got letters...

Spare me the crap. I am so sick of being the bad guy, we are not, and this world would be in bad shape without our boys, and our sacrifices.

People seem to forget, that they spend dick on military spending, but have all the say in what goes on....
And even more criticism, when it suits them politically.
Right Europe, and your stupid assed token 500 troops you "threw in" for guard duty on a base behind enemy lines?

I fart in your general direction, and remind that we all live in glass houses.

Pardon my words, but I am what I am. Not responding angrily, just truthfully.

American taxpayers deserve what they wish. Despite king Catfishs opinions and criticisms.

Not like we can control our over zealous generals.