Should we ban blasphemy

Armistead · 09-22-12, 09:52 AM

This issue may have been touch on in one of the " insert here has gone crazy threads", so forgive me if it has been mentioned, but maybe we can discuss it in more detail.

The Prime Minister of Pakistan wants the UN to develop international legislation to outlaw blasphemy. PM Ashraf ordered all internet providers toblock youtube in Pakistan.....all of it.

http://www.pri.org/stories/politics-...emy-11551.html

So if a bunch of nuts feel they can kill other people when you talk about their beliefs or God, should free speech by word and pen be limited. Obama and other leaders often tell us not to mock or talk about Islam. I understand trying to calm Islam, but should we care. There is much concern the upcoming Bin Ladin movie will cause more riots and death around the world.

I see many GOP members and Fox News host are saying the riots are payback because Obama keeps bringing up killing Bin Ladin and offending terrorist, causing them to do terrorist acts...

The good news for the Pakistani men is even though youtube was blocked, they still had access to porn via other sites.

Kloef · 09-22-12, 10:14 AM

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The good news for the Pakistani men is even though youtube was blocked, they still had access to porn via other sites.

_dgn_ · 09-22-12, 10:39 AM

Should we ban blasphemy ?

Yes, naturally !!!

By exemple, for the Christians, Jesus is "Son of God" or "Incarnated God".

Whoever refuses this fundamental principle of the Christian religion makes a blasphemy.

For example, Muslims, who regard Jesus only as a prophet ...

Cheers.

Jimbuna · 09-22-12, 10:52 AM

Surely the above answer can only be answered by those who 'believe'

August · 09-22-12, 10:53 AM

I think the better course is not to ban blasphemy but rather consider the worst religion bashing as a form of bullying. They're pretty much the same in form and intent.

Skybird · 09-22-12, 11:06 AM

Blasphemy is the uneducated believer's and the hierarchical profiteer's way to make opposition to their world view shutting up - by using according laws, or a sword.

So I return the question to the forum, and everybody answers for himself: should blasphemy be banned?

Skybird · 09-22-12, 11:25 AM

Interview with Salman Rushdie

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Rushdie: I refused to allow myself to give up my own picture of the world and accept the security picture provided by the police instead. When that happens, you become their creature, and you have to do what they say. I greatly valued the way I was being protected, I understood how important it was, and some of the bodyguards became my friends. But my public campaign and the negotiations with the security personnel were consistently aimed at regaining a normal life.

danlisa · 09-22-12, 11:35 AM

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Blasphemy is the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for a religious deity or the irreverence towards religious or holy persons or things.

After considerable deliberation, I have reached a conclusion......

Religious deities can do one! Bunch twaddle anyway........(Caveat; all hail the Cow, can't piss of the Indians etc too much, I like my burgers).

Takeda Shingen · 09-22-12, 11:39 AM

Oh good, another religion bashing thread. Err, sorry, another Abrahamic religion bashing thread. Eastern faiths always seem to avoid the crosshairs.

Sailor Steve · 09-22-12, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Armistead

The Prime Minister of Pakistan wants the UN to develop international legislation to outlaw blasphemy.

Here in the US we've already been there and done that. When Thomas Jefferson wrote the Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom there were laws on the books of several states making certain religious "crimes" punishable by anything from a day in the stocks to thirty days in jail to death. Most of them weren't being enforced at the time, but could have been. In most civilized countries religious "crimes" are considered to be not worth discussing except as curiousities.

Armistead · 09-22-12, 12:33 PM

Well, mostly I'm concerned for my own being. For instance if the UN passes this law and I drop a bucket on my toe and say "God damn" will my local police here in North Carolina arrest me if I happen to upset a nearby religious person..

I mean no real offense, but just saying a simple "dern" doesn't release the pain like cursing. I use to say the F word out loud in such instances, but my wife hates when I scream F....

Myself, I attach no morality to words, but I do remember when I was in school, if we said a simple "damn" we got suspended for 3 days.

Buddahaid · 09-22-12, 12:37 PM

By all means blasphemy should be banned so there is no such thing anywhere, or anyhow in the world. When there is no such thing as blasphemy the middle east will become soft and cuddly like a kitten.

Gargamel · 09-22-12, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Oh good, another religion bashing thread. Err, sorry, another Abrahamic religion bashing thread. Eastern faiths always seem to avoid the crosshairs.

For good reason.

When was the last time you heard of a Shinto burning the bible, or a Buddhist suicide bomber?

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

By all means blasphemy should be banned so there is no such thing anywhere, or anyhow in the world. When there is no such thing as blasphemy the middle east will become soft and cuddly like a kitten.

It'll still be a desert. So cuddly like a wet dog.

Takeda Shingen · 09-22-12, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gargamel

For good reason.

When was the last time you heard of a Shinto burning the bible, or a Buddhist suicide bomber?

And a lot will be solved by trashing it. No, it's just an excuse to take a few flogs at everyone's favorite whipping subject.

09-22-12, 01:55 PM

Making laws that ban or forbid people doing or saying is fine, it's upholding the laws that's difficult if people are unwilling to obey. We live by consent and our biggest problem will always be self.

The Muslims have never been able to come to terms with the fact the God told Abraham to throw Ishmael and his mother hagar out of the his camp. Hagar was not Abraham's wife, but servant. God promised Ishmael that his decendents would be too many to count . Its from Ishmael with the arrival of the Prophet Mohammed some hundreds of years later that Islam emerged.

http://niv.scripturetext.com/genesis/16.htm all is reveal here.

Interestingly, the Prophet Mohammed thought it was satan talking to him while hiding in the caves. This is where Mohammed received the revelations about Islam, it was his wife that convinced Mohammed it was God speaking.

09-22-12, 09:52 AM	#1
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Should we ban blasphemy This issue may have been touch on in one of the " insert here has gone crazy threads", so forgive me if it has been mentioned, but maybe we can discuss it in more detail. The Prime Minister of Pakistan wants the UN to develop international legislation to outlaw blasphemy. PM Ashraf ordered all internet providers toblock youtube in Pakistan.....all of it. http://www.pri.org/stories/politics-...emy-11551.html So if a bunch of nuts feel they can kill other people when you talk about their beliefs or God, should free speech by word and pen be limited. Obama and other leaders often tell us not to mock or talk about Islam. I understand trying to calm Islam, but should we care. There is much concern the upcoming Bin Ladin movie will cause more riots and death around the world. I see many GOP members and Fox News host are saying the riots are payback because Obama keeps bringing up killing Bin Ladin and offending terrorist, causing them to do terrorist acts... The good news for the Pakistani men is even though youtube was blocked, they still had access to porn via other sites.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Surely the above answer can only be answered by those who 'believe' __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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August Wayfaring Stranger Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 23,197 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think the better course is not to ban blasphemy but rather consider the worst religion bashing as a form of bullying. They're pretty much the same in form and intent. __________________ Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.

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Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,620 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Blasphemy is the uneducated believer's and the hierarchical profiteer's way to make opposition to their world view shutting up - by using according laws, or a sword. So I return the question to the forum, and everybody answers for himself: should blasphemy be banned? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

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Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,319 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	By all means blasphemy should be banned so there is no such thing anywhere, or anyhow in the world. When there is no such thing as blasphemy the middle east will become soft and cuddly like a kitten. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

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_dgn_ Machinist's Mate Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: France Posts: 122 Downloads: 331 Uploads: 0	Should we ban blasphemy ? Yes, naturally !!! By exemple, for the Christians, Jesus is "Son of God" or "Incarnated God". Whoever refuses this fundamental principle of the Christian religion makes a blasphemy. For example, Muslims, who regard Jesus only as a prophet ... Cheers.

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Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	Oh good, another religion bashing thread. Err, sorry, another Abrahamic religion bashing thread. Eastern faiths always seem to avoid the crosshairs.

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Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Well, mostly I'm concerned for my own being. For instance if the UN passes this law and I drop a bucket on my toe and say "God damn" will my local police here in North Carolina arrest me if I happen to upset a nearby religious person.. I mean no real offense, but just saying a simple "dern" doesn't release the pain like cursing. I use to say the F word out loud in such instances, but my wife hates when I scream F.... Myself, I attach no morality to words, but I do remember when I was in school, if we said a simple "damn" we got suspended for 3 days.

09-22-12, 01:55 PM	#15
sidslotm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Making laws that ban or forbid people doing or saying is fine, it's upholding the laws that's difficult if people are unwilling to obey. We live by consent and our biggest problem will always be self. The Muslims have never been able to come to terms with the fact the God told Abraham to throw Ishmael and his mother hagar out of the his camp. Hagar was not Abraham's wife, but servant. God promised Ishmael that his decendents would be too many to count . Its from Ishmael with the arrival of the Prophet Mohammed some hundreds of years later that Islam emerged. http://niv.scripturetext.com/genesis/16.htm all is reveal here. Interestingly, the Prophet Mohammed thought it was satan talking to him while hiding in the caves. This is where Mohammed received the revelations about Islam, it was his wife that convinced Mohammed it was God speaking.