HMS Aboukir, HMS Hogue and HMS Cressy to be scrapped. - Page 2

nikimcbee · 01-10-12, 02:04 PM

(no disrespect to the Brits) This is one of my favorite U-Boat stories. I can only imagine what it was like to be in the control room of the U-9

Three cruisers

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Kongo Otto · 01-10-12, 02:09 PM

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It would be interesting to see some dive photos.

nikimcbee · 01-10-12, 02:12 PM

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Thanks.

Kongo Otto · 01-10-12, 02:15 PM

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The needs of the living should always take priority over the dead who have no more needs. Remembrance is about what we do not where we do it.

*zynism on*
Exactly! Therefore we should tear down all US Cemeteries here in Europe and build Houses on the land for they who have more needs.
You can do your rememberance over there at your place, so there is no need for US Military Cemeteries in Europe at all.
*zynism off*

01-10-12, 02:18 PM

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*zynism on*
Exactly! Therefore we should tear down all US Cemeteries here in Europe and build Houses on the land for they who have more needs.
You can do your rememberance over there at your place, so there is no need for US Military Cemeteries in Europe at all.
*zynism off

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Well, since you intend to indulge in pathetic, straw-man, kindergarten hyperbole, I will leave you to it...

Schroeder · 01-10-12, 02:25 PM

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Arizona is a dedicated War Grave, Aboukir, Cressy and Hogue were sold as scrap by their own government. If you cannot see any difference between the two...

So the difference between a war grave that must be respected and a chunk of metal ready to be salvaged is a buying contract....

No, sorry I really can't see the difference.

On the other hand I can understand where you are coming from, but it still seems wrong to me. Just gut feeling.

Kongo Otto · 01-10-12, 02:27 PM

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*zynism on*
Exactly! Therefore we should tear down all US Cemeteries here in Europe and build Houses on the land for they who have more needs.
You can do your rememberance over there at your place, so there is no need for US Military Cemeteries in Europe at all.
*zynism off*

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Well, since you intend to indulge in pathetic, straw-man, kindergarten hyperbole, I will leave you to it...

I just put your own words in a bit harsher ones, i just had the guts to speak out what your thinking was!

Kongo Otto · 01-10-12, 02:36 PM

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So the difference between a war grave that must be respected and a chunk of metal ready to be salvaged is a buying contract....

No, sorry I really can't see the difference.

On the other hand I can understand where you are coming from, but it still seems wrong to me. Just gut feeling.

No the difference is patriotism and rememberence is only allowed to americans, thats why a bombed Battleship is a national shrine and three RN Ships are just a Pile of junk!
And then they are wondering themselves why almost 95% on this Planet hates them.

Sailor Steve · 01-10-12, 02:55 PM

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(no disrespect to the Brits) This is one of my favorite U-Boat stories. I can only imagine what it was like to be in the control room of the U-9

Three cruisers

!

Then you should also imagine what it was like to be the same captain, in the control room of U-29, when that boat was run over and squashed like a bug by 18,000 tons of HMS Dreadnought.

Jimbuna · 01-10-12, 03:51 PM

Let us not stray into the realms of insults and name calling please...we are all better than that.

TIA

nikimcbee · 01-10-12, 05:35 PM

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Then you should also imagine what it was like to be the same captain, in the control room of U-29, when that boat was run over and squashed like a bug by 18,000 tons of HMS Dreadnought.

Did you hear something? Crunch.
It was over pretty quick I imagine for them.

If I recall, did the Dreadnought hit them midships?

I forgot, U-29's engine had died and they couldn't move.

Takeda Shingen · 01-10-12, 05:56 PM

I don't know, my view is that this is not unlike the old practice of 'clearing' graveyards for new use; a common practice up until the 19th Century. It can be considered a desecration, or it can be thought of as forward-looking and utilitarian. Ultimately, it is only the living that squabble about it; the dead don't really care one way or another.

August · 01-10-12, 06:10 PM

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I just put your own words in a bit harsher ones, i just had the guts to speak out what your thinking was!

Guts? What guts did it take to anonymously insult someone? That's not guts, that's the very definition of cowardice.

01-10-12, 06:11 PM

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I don't know, my view is that this is not unlike the old practice of 'clearing' graveyards for new use; a common practice up until the 19th Century. It can be considered a desecration, or it can be thought of as forward-looking and utilitarian. Ultimately, it is only the living that squabble about it; the dead don't really care one way or another.

My point exactly. Provided any human remains are treated with due respect and re-interred with honour, the ships themselves are really so much scrap. Valuable and useful scrap at that.

Takeda Shingen · 01-10-12, 06:15 PM

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My point exactly. Provided any human remains are treated with due respect and re-interred with honour, the ships themselves are really so much scrap. Valuable and useful scrap at that.

Well, yes and no. I can completely understand your point and agree with it. However, I have no connection with those that died there. I probably wouldn't be crazy about somebody doing the same with the graves of my parents, so I can see the other side as well. It all depends on your perspective.

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nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	(no disrespect to the Brits) This is one of my favorite U-Boat stories. I can only imagine what it was like to be in the control room of the U-9 Three cruisers! __________________

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,525 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Let us not stray into the realms of insults and name calling please...we are all better than that. TIA __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I don't know, my view is that this is not unlike the old practice of 'clearing' graveyards for new use; a common practice up until the 19th Century. It can be considered a desecration, or it can be thought of as forward-looking and utilitarian. Ultimately, it is only the living that squabble about it; the dead don't really care one way or another.