[REQ] Severe Storm cause Damage to Sub

TheBeast · 01-10-12, 03:03 AM

Is is possible to make Severe Storm Weather Damage U-Boat equipment?

Equipment such as Dive Planes, Rudder, Antenna's, Hydrophone etc.

IMO, If this is possible it would add another layer of realism for game emmersion.

Also, when submerged, exceeding 5-7 knots may damage Periscopes and or Snorkel.

Has anyone done or attempted to do any work in this respect?

Regards!
TheBeast

Rongel · 01-10-12, 07:38 AM

That is an excellent idea!

I wonder if something like that is made to previous titles? Studying old mods would be the place to start.

Sartoris · 01-10-12, 08:37 AM

This is a great idea! I hope someone can shed more light on it...

tonschk · 01-10-12, 08:38 AM

I am not sure to which extent the U-Boot were fragile or not to Severe Storm Weather

charognard · 01-10-12, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tonschk

I am not sure to which extent the U-Boot were fragile or not to Severe Storm Weather

Me too, need historic documentation before thinking to do anything ^^

dcb · 01-10-12, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by charognard

Me too, need historic documentation before thinking to do anything ^^

After briefly googling the idea (which BTW is great), here is a brief reference:

- 5 U-boats including 1 by RAF Bay of Biscay patrol; 3 by US Navy in Azores and Madeira areas; 1 scuttled after storm damaged in mid-Atlantic.

Source:
http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignsUboats4.htm

EDIT:
And here is another reference:

The crew of U.188 (...) struggled to return to Europe with their valuable cargo, so desperately needed - unable to communicate, in a submarine that was short of essential supplies, mechanically failing and severely damaged in a storm rounding the Cape of Good Hope.

Source:
http://scotland.users.ftech.net/u188p1.htm

Commander Mysenses · 01-10-12, 11:20 AM

Perhaps time based damage to diesel engines running at flank speeds for extended periods?
"She canna take much more captain"

Sailor Steve · 01-10-12, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dcb

After briefly googling the idea (which BTW is great), here is a brief reference:

- 5 U-boats including 1 by RAF Bay of Biscay patrol; 3 by US Navy in Azores and Madeira areas; 1 scuttled after storm damaged in mid-Atlantic.

Exactly where is that listing? I searched the whole page and didn't see it.
1 out of 51. That's 2%

I looked all through here http://uboat.net/fates/losses/ and couldn't find any u-boats officially lost due to storm damage. I may have missed it if there was one, and of course that doesn't count boats that took damage and survived. And there are a lot of "Missing".

As to the OP, a WW2 submarine is basically a surface ship that can dive for limited periods. On the other hand, if the storm is dangerous they could dive for quite a while, riding out the worst of it in safety.

dcb · 01-10-12, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Exactly where is that listing? I searched the whole page and didn't see it.

Search the page using the word "scuttled" and you'll find the paragraph in the chapter dedicated to DECEMBER 1943.

And the fact that subs were not damaged by storm on a regular basis is not an argument against the idea. References to at least a couple of such incidents can be found by simply browsing the internet for 10 minutes.

Someone asked for historical references, and that's precisely what I found.

TheBeast · 01-10-12, 01:42 PM

Logic would dictate that submarines were not damaged by storm conditions mainly because they would not surface during stormy weather unless required.

I know from personal experience in 1984, I was on USS Coral Sea off east coast of US. In a Storm. A big Wave that came in at 45 degree angle ripped off half the Port Side Cat Walk from Bow to Mid Ship and all antenna on that side as well.
The Cat Walk is at Flight Deck level approximately 30-45 feet (10-15m) above water level.

TheDarkWraith · 01-10-12, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBeast

Logic would dictate that submarines were not damaged by storm conditions mainly because they would not surface during stormy weather unless required.

I know from personal experience in 1984, I was on USS Coral Sea off east coast of US. In a Storm. A big Wave that came in at 45 degree angle ripped off half the Port Side Cat Walk from Bow to Mid Ship and all antenna on that side as well.
The Cat Walk is at Flight Deck level approximately 30-45 feet (10-15m) above water level.

I can attest to storm damage also. Was on the USS South Carolina (CGN-37 - the so-pig as we called it) crossing the Atlantic for the med. Two hurricanes were spinning out there and our captain decided to take a path between them. We were in 40-45 foot seas, literally submaring our ship depending on how we crested the wave (gave new meaning to walking on walls). I didn't believe it either till I went to the bridge and watched walls of water going over the bridge. Ripped off radars, antennas, parts of the superstructure, etc. We got an extended stay in Gibraltar to try and repair some of the damage. To this day I still don't know what was so important that we had to risk the safety of the crew and the ship to get over to the med

We weren't allowed outside on the maindecks (for obvious reasons) but man was I curious to see just how much the keel was flexing when we crested some of those waves. Right in the middle of the ship you could put your feet on two sides of sliding plate to get an idea of how much the keel was flexing. It's amazing how much those ships 'flex'

Hartmann · 01-10-12, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tonschk

I am not sure to which extent the U-Boot were fragile or not to Severe Storm Weather

I think the same.

An u-boat had a small size compared with large ships and with a streemlined design that makes more difficult take damage by big waves, that can pass over the hull whereas a surface ship the waves hit against the hull .

ETsd4 · 01-10-12, 07:17 PM

In reality comes first the storm and THEN the damage and not the other way around.
SH5 is limited to Force 7. Storm means Force 10 and higher. So there is no storm in SH5.

Concerning the SH5-weather i have seen a lot of crap: false wind-sounds, one wind-sound for all weather, one wave-sound for all weather, false wave-heights, false weather-reports, weather totaly broken and not changing anymore etc. etc. This should be fixed.

Damo · 01-11-12, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ETsd4

In reality comes first the storm and THEN the damage and not the other way around.
SH5 is limited to Force 7. Storm means Force 10 and higher. So there is no storm in SH5.

Concerning the SH5-weather i have seen a lot of crap: false wind-sounds, one wind-sound for all weather, one wave-sound for all weather, false wave-heights, false weather-reports, weather totaly broken and not changing anymore etc. etc. This should be fixed.

Take it you don't use the Dynamic Environment mod? Kinda fixes most of what you mention. Not sure about wind and wave sounds for different sea/weather states but there are new sounds included.

arnahud2 · 01-11-12, 07:33 AM

@TheDarkWraith : look at that, especially at 0:13 sec.

Very impressive, isn't it ?

01-10-12, 03:03 AM	#1
TheBeast The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 1,533 Downloads: 886 Uploads: 23	[REQ] Severe Storm cause Damage to Sub Is is possible to make Severe Storm Weather Damage U-Boat equipment? Equipment such as Dive Planes, Rudder, Antenna's, Hydrophone etc. IMO, If this is possible it would add another layer of realism for game emmersion. Also, when submerged, exceeding 5-7 knots may damage Periscopes and or Snorkel. Has anyone done or attempted to do any work in this respect? Regards! TheBeast __________________ Fear me! I am, TheBeastBelow SHIV-MediaFire \| SHV-MediaFire

01-10-12, 08:38 AM	#4
tonschk Admiral Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,200 Downloads: 172 Uploads: 0	I am not sure to which extent the U-Boot were fragile or not to Severe Storm Weather __________________ What we do in life echoes in Eternity

01-10-12, 01:42 PM	#10
TheBeast The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 1,533 Downloads: 886 Uploads: 23	Logic would dictate that submarines were not damaged by storm conditions mainly because they would not surface during stormy weather unless required. I know from personal experience in 1984, I was on USS Coral Sea off east coast of US. In a Storm. A big Wave that came in at 45 degree angle ripped off half the Port Side Cat Walk from Bow to Mid Ship and all antenna on that side as well. The Cat Walk is at Flight Deck level approximately 30-45 feet (10-15m) above water level. __________________ Fear me! I am, TheBeastBelow SHIV-MediaFire \| SHV-MediaFire Last edited by TheBeast; 01-10-12 at 04:00 PM.

01-11-12, 07:33 AM	#15
arnahud2 Frogman Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 308 Downloads: 724 Uploads: 0	@TheDarkWraith : look at that, especially at 0:13 sec. Very impressive, isn't it ? __________________

01-10-12, 07:38 AM	#2
Rongel Grey Wolf Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Finland Posts: 859 Downloads: 174 Uploads: 0	That is an excellent idea! I wonder if something like that is made to previous titles? Studying old mods would be the place to start.

01-10-12, 08:37 AM	#3
Sartoris Captain Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 489 Downloads: 106 Uploads: 0	This is a great idea! I hope someone can shed more light on it...

01-10-12, 11:20 AM	#7
Commander Mysenses Navy Dude Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: AM98 - Rounding Hartland Point and sneaking up the Bristol Channel Posts: 173 Downloads: 137 Uploads: 0	Perhaps time based damage to diesel engines running at flank speeds for extended periods? "She canna take much more captain"

01-10-12, 07:17 PM	#13
ETsd4 中国水兵 Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 278 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	In reality comes first the storm and THEN the damage and not the other way around. SH5 is limited to Force 7. Storm means Force 10 and higher. So there is no storm in SH5. Concerning the SH5-weather i have seen a lot of crap: false wind-sounds, one wind-sound for all weather, one wave-sound for all weather, false wave-heights, false weather-reports, weather totaly broken and not changing anymore etc. etc. This should be fixed.