Hillary Clinton declares 'gay rights are human rights'

[mookiemookie]

Then there's parades like the annual Fantasy Fest in Key West. There's some saggy old boobs covered by nothing but body paint on display there. Yeccch.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

While in SFO and on Market Street about 8 years ago, I had the unfortunate experience of seeing one of these "homo pride" parades going by. I saw public nudity, and some other perversions I wouldn't post here. Ever heard of the "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence"? Yuck! Simply put, I don't think Irish Catholics in their cultural heritage parades and these gay fests are comparable.

If you want to go that route, I would ask you where your outrage is over, say, Mardi Gras and it's parent, Carnival?

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Mybe we should sanctionise hetero couples raising children, and should but getting babies under a social ban, and penalty taxes.

Not that bad of an idea. Given a world population of 7 billion and climbing we need to stop rewarding people for having kids and start making them pay extra for the extra resources their offspring consume.

[August]

Originally Posted by Penguin

yup, clearly not comparable!

Well no they really aren't comparable unless you count momentary flashing of a breast to be the same as oral sex being performed right out there on the curb for everyone to see.

if you don't like the Dallas Cowboys, don't attend their parade

Point taken, but on the other hand would it be appropriate to have a tribute to the New England Patriots in the Dallas Cowboy parade? If gays want their own parade let them organize their own parade. They shouldn't be crashing that of others.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

Point taken, but on the other hand would it be appropriate to have a tribute to the New England Patriots in the Dallas Cowboy parade?

Are we asking most people or are we asking you? Those would probably be different answers.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by August

Well no they really aren't comparable unless you count momentary flashing of a breast to be the same as oral sex being performed right out there on the curb for everyone to see.



Point taken, but on the other hand would it be appropriate to have a tribute to the New England Patriots in the Dallas Cowboy parade? If gays want their own parade let them organize their own parade. They shouldn't be crashing that of others.

Well, as you probably know I come from the part of Germany where Carnival is quite big, in fact we call it the fifth season of the year. So people here like to party. On Carnival you can see (drunk) couples performing sex in the late hours, not in the parade, but in bus stops, house entrances or in pub's bathrooms. However this view is much less common than drunkards beating the crap out of each other. I think that oral sex performances at gay parades are also an exception in the US and are certainly not endorsed by the organizers of the parade, alone for legal reasons.

So it is no coincidence that Cologne, which has the biggest carnival here, with more than a million spectators, also has the biggest Christopher Street day parade with several hundred thousand spectators, many of them non-gay, who come there and enjoy the party atmosphere and the wagons. Another number: The Rosenmontagszug 2011 (main day of carnival) had 150 wagons, the CSD in 2011 had 100.

And the gays do organize their own event, of course in coordination with the city which does their organization part (road closures, cleaning, safety, etc.) However both events, Carival and the gay parade are also a big financial gain regarding tourism.

[Betonov]

You're talking about nudity like it's a bad thing, you never went winter streaking

[soopaman2]

This is taking something way to far now. I watch football for brutal men, out strategizing the other brutal men. I could care less about the cheerleaders (they don't help the spread). I got a set of boobs in my house that I stare at all day, and after all these years still get yelled at for it!

I am sure you can find the fat naked chick parade and point it out here, but the point I was making when I started this crapstorm is....

Ready?

If you are fighting to be equal then why do you need a parade that does nothing but showcase your eccentrism?

Be equal, by just being gay and living your life. Not closing down traffic for half a day in New York City, because you want to wave a rainbow flag and wear a dress.

Just be gay. Be yourself. Be confident in what you are and 98% of us will accept you. But realize it makes some uncomfortable, and not rub peoples noses in it

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

If you want to go that route, I would ask you where your outrage is over, say, Mardi Gras and it's parent, Carnival?

We can go that route. I do have a problem with any public sexual indecency displayed at Mardi Gras and Carnival as well. Get a room. But like someone else pointed out, there's a far cry from flashing some T&A for beads and two gross looking homos conducting oral sex on the sidewalk, or the other thing that grossed me out at the Market street display......public group m*****bation.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

the point I was making when I started this crapstorm is....

lol, you are clearly not long enough on here to call this quite civilized discussion here a crapstorm, just check out some earlier discussions in GT- no offense, man!

Originally Posted by soopaman2

If you are fighting to be equal then why do you need a parade that does nothing but showcase your eccentrism?

I hate ties, I find them ugly and disgusting, one of the most ridiculous and useless pieces of clothing that humans ever invented, but who am I to judge how other people dress? Guess there are also some people who find my clothing ugly.

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Be equal, by just being gay and living your life. Not closing down traffic for half a day in New York City, because you want to wave a rainbow flag and wear a dress.

Isn't this the same about Puerto Rican Day in NY - closed streets, people waving flags and (chicks) wearing dresses? Though I haven't seen this event live, got my wisdom from a Seinfeld episode

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Just be gay. Be yourself. Be confident in what you are and 98% of us will accept you. But realize it makes some uncomfortable, and not rub peoples noses in it

Well, this is a mixed thing. There is certainly an amount of showing: "hey, we don't want to live in closets and that's how we roll!"
Then there's also self-display; to have another American Fooball analogy: on the tv broadcasts the camera zooms much less onto the Joe Sixpacks applauding in the stadium than on the fat guys with their team colors on their naked bellies

Personally I think the same if I meet someone and he tells me in the first sentence: "Hi, I'm Fred and I am gay." than about someone telling me "Hi I'm Jane and I'm a Buddhist/vegetarian/toilet cleaner/goldfish admirer/etc." : "Did I ask about this and wth does this have to do with anything?"

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by August

Not that bad of an idea. Given a world population of 7 billion and climbing we need to stop rewarding people for having kids and start making them pay extra for the extra resources their offspring consume.

Wrong. We need to frezze the growth of populations in poor underdeveloped countries wehre despite the ongoing starvation and the erosion of the land due to too much cattle getting held and where endless natural disasters haunt the land and the people, they nevertheless insist on having 6, 8, 10, even 16 children. In the longer run, these numbers of several billions in the poor countries need to be redc ued. Eithger we find ways to do it humanely, or nature will care for it in it's own ways. In the developed nations we need to find a way to stabilise our society's age structure, else our Western nations go down the drain due to overaging populations, or they lose their identity and cultural nature due to excessive migration of foreigners who sooner or later no longer stay a minority, but take over from the former owners of the "homeland". From that stability (to be reached) then we can start to redesign our communities and economic structures to tailor them so that they stay functional even with smaller sizes and smaller workforces.

This insane concept of unlimited growth in each and every regard, needs to be skipped. Dynamically fluctuating stability and "Nachhaltigkeit" are much-much-much more important.

The Chinese had a strict one-child policy (still have?). It now backfires on them for various reasons different from mere population size. It has caused mssaive distortions in their society's age structure. I also recommend to study the excessive social distortions in Japanese society. It is a cultural and social drama they have in Japan. I read comments by sociological researchers saying the chnage in their sopcial structures caused by modenr socviety since WWII does more long-term damage to thecom munal integrity then WWII's loss of lives and overall destruction.

My old mentor and trainer, a Japanese, said the same. His family was scattered around the whole globe as well due to the distortions caused by the war, and then the modernisation of traditional society. Their whole middle class is desintegrating.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Penguin

(pic taken on St. Paddy's in Ireland)
yup, clearly not comparable!

Yup. Absolutely not comparable. Where's the public nudity and sex acts? Where's the gross public bodily fluid discharges? Where are the BDSM acts? Where are the sex toy demos? Where is the public m*****bation? You can find all that at a "homo pride" parade in Frisco.

What I see here are three girls walking in skimpy outfits. I've seen girls dressed in less during a day at the beach.

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

two gross looking homos

A gay marriage thread is never complete without some good old fashioned bigotry



It really saddens me that there are still people as closed minded as you around.

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Morts

A gay marriage thread is never complete without some good old fashioned bigotry



It really saddens me that there are still people as closed minded as you around.

I invite you to look up "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" and see what I mean. That's the type I'm talking about. Yes, they are gross looking. And yes, they do gross things. And it is not being "open minded" to be accepting of them and their public displays. It's insanity.

Anybody normal, and with a vein of sanity wouldn't let their kids near this stuff or consider it normal. I'm proud to be considered "closed minded" if I have to accept crap like this as "normal".

[Morts]

Originally Posted by Sea Demon

I invite you to look up "Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence" and see what I mean. Yes, they are gross looking. And yes, they do gross things. And it is not being "open minded" to be accepting of them and their public displays. It's insanity.

Anybody normal, and with a vein of sanity wouldn't let their kids near this stuff or consider it normal. I'm proud to be "closed minded" if I have to accept crap like this as "normal".

Im not talking about that, im talking about the objecting to gay marriage part a page or two back.