How is the DW Sim working with the new 1.03 Beta patch? - Page 4

Mau · 11-25-05, 02:57 PM

Thank you very much for everything you are trying here!

I'll be following that closely

Fandango · 11-25-05, 07:08 PM

I've installed Patch 1.03BETA from a FRESH reinstall of DW and I get version 1.00 in the starting screen. I believe SCS will change that number when the official version of the patch will be out... :hmm:

LuftWolf · 11-25-05, 07:10 PM

Somethings not right for you then, I get 1.03 when I load the game.

XabbaRus · 11-26-05, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LuftWolf

Well, I've "fixed it." So there. :P

So if you want your FFG to go 24 kts tops in Level 3 seas and make turns at 6kts, then don't use the mod.

Which I know you don't anyway, Xabba... so I'm doing for those who do, and I give them a big thanks for that as well!

WTF, I'm not criticising you. You fixed it great. I fixed it to0.

I don't get why you had to right that with all those smilies..

Alex Nenadic · 11-26-05, 06:41 AM

The sub handling has gone to hell for me. So far I've only tested it with the 688i, but it takes the sub FOREVER to change depth. Literally it dives 1 ft per every 5-10 seconds. At best that works out to a 20 minute descent to 250 feet.

The acceleration is FUBAR as well, going from 0 knots (ice surfacing) to 5 knots didn't work at all. Only managed to get it up to 5 by ordering flank speed and then stopping the dial once it hit 5.

Bellman · 11-26-05, 10:02 AM

Alex you are right about the depth change 'hell'.

I reported in July that the depth change delays in DW had changed significantly from SC. Akula2 + 250% SW + 330%.

Just run the SW through depth changes from 300 ft to 100 ft and return. The new figures are below , with DW 1.01 bracketed.

Ascend at 14 knots from 300 ft -to 100 ft - 1min 33 secs ( 2 mins 19 sec) An improvement.
Descend at 14 knots from 100ft to 300 ft - 6 min 10 secs (2 min 19 secs.) A MASSIVE increase. :hmm:

I seem to remember 'someone' getting a bit peevish about performance reports before.

Fandango · 11-26-05, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by LuftWolf

Somethings not right for you then, I get 1.03 when I load the game.

I'll reinstall then...

LuftWolf · 11-26-05, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

Quote:

Originally Posted by LuftWolf

Well, I've "fixed it." So there. :P

So if you want your FFG to go 24 kts tops in Level 3 seas and make turns at 6kts, then don't use the mod.

Which I know you don't anyway, Xabba... so I'm doing for those who do, and I give them a big thanks for that as well!

huh?, I'm not criticising you. You fixed it great. I fixed it to0.

I don't get why you had to right that with all those smilies..

Sorry Xabba... you're right.

I thought you were advocating for leaving it as it was and not reporting it to SCS as a bug.

OKO · 11-26-05, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by goldorak

Being no expert, could you explain in simple terms what are the improvements on the new sonar model. ?

take a look here =>
http://www.subsim.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=45663

you will see some consequences ofthe new model.

Amizaur · 11-26-05, 06:58 PM

The acceleration is lower than it was (and closer to real values I believe) but more importantly it's ADJUSTABLE now (which it wasn't in 1.01) so SCS or mod makers can set it to any value they want. If you order screw rotations for 5kts then no wonder that acceleration is low, and it takes quite long to reach those 5kts. And nothing strange in fact that if you order flank, you get those 5kts faster :-).
The sub diving... is bugged now (everyone sees that) but that's why it's beta patch only :-), just work in progress :-).

XabbaRus · 11-27-05, 04:33 AM

It's still a bug because the ordered speed thing still exists.

when you ask it to go to a slower speed it always goes to a speed one know below what you ordered.

Fandango · 11-27-05, 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Amizaur

The sub diving... is bugged now...

What do you mean?...

Amizaur · 11-27-05, 02:58 PM

Try to dive a sub from the surface and you'll see

Sub Sailor · 11-27-05, 05:22 PM

The Towed Array, on at least the US Subs, the only ones I have tried to date, is really slow. Towed Arrays should deploy and retieve at a rate of about 21/2 to 31/2 min. depending on the Array, the Pelamida usually took about 1 min. Now on US Subs that speed is very close to real world.
Changing depth, Subs go down fast, that is how you get yourself out of trouble. Nuke boats do not have a negative tank, but they are bult to submerge, they will attempt to dive at high surface speeds if not watched.
The way DW is setup now the US Subs are way to slow on any depth changes. Some one talked about buoyancy, on the surface the subs weight is less than its buoyancy. When you open all vents on the dive the boat sinks like a rock. Once submerged and at depth the buoyancy is controlled by the trim tanks. The MBT are full of water and the vents are shut. The sub is kept at depth by trim tanks, planes and speed. You want to get down flood the trim tanks and go to full dive and believe me you are going to down. The COW on orders from the Conn will adjust trim and weight by pumping into or out of the trim tanks, the trim tanks -usually- are around 1/2 full.This setup now in DW is wrong. Also a nuke boat can do an airless surface by using it's engines to literally drive the boat to the surface, not the same as emergency blow and honestly it's rather fun. You can get about half the boat out of the water. Got to watch it so it don't slide back on you.
The prsent setup of 1.03 makes know sense at all.

Repectfully,

Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

Alex Nenadic · 11-27-05, 06:29 PM

This might be related (and the reason why you cannot do a non emergency blow surfacing), in DW one cannot control the ship's trim angle. At the same time, the AI attempts to always keep it at 0Â°, or as close to 0Â° as possible.

This is constructive criticism guys, I am not trying to be an ass.

11-25-05, 07:08 PM	#47
Fandango Officer Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Trieste, Italy Posts: 236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I've installed Patch 1.03BETA from a FRESH reinstall of DW and I get version 1.00 in the starting screen. I believe SCS will change that number when the official version of the patch will be out... :hmm: __________________ The true worth of a man is to be measured by the objects he pursues. - Marcus Aurelius

11-25-05, 07:10 PM	#48
LuftWolf Ocean Warrior Join Date: May 2005 Location: Free New York Posts: 3,167 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Somethings not right for you then, I get 1.03 when I load the game. __________________ LW

11-26-05, 10:02 AM	#51
Bellman Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 1,945 Downloads: 220 Uploads: 0	Patch 1.03 Alex you are right about the depth change 'hell'. I reported in July that the depth change delays in DW had changed significantly from SC. Akula2 + 250% SW + 330%. Just run the SW through depth changes from 300 ft to 100 ft and return. The new figures are below , with DW 1.01 bracketed. Ascend at 14 knots from 300 ft -to 100 ft - 1min 33 secs ( 2 mins 19 sec) An improvement. Descend at 14 knots from 100ft to 300 ft - 6 min 10 secs (2 min 19 secs.) A MASSIVE increase. :hmm: I seem to remember 'someone' getting a bit peevish about performance reports before. __________________ Liberty, Equality, Fraternity

11-27-05, 04:33 AM	#56
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	It's still a bug because the ordered speed thing still exists. when you ask it to go to a slower speed it always goes to a speed one know below what you ordered. __________________

11-27-05, 05:22 PM	#59
Sub Sailor Commander Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Orofino, Idaho Posts: 443 Downloads: 66 Uploads: 0	T/A Speed and Depth change rate The Towed Array, on at least the US Subs, the only ones I have tried to date, is really slow. Towed Arrays should deploy and retieve at a rate of about 21/2 to 31/2 min. depending on the Array, the Pelamida usually took about 1 min. Now on US Subs that speed is very close to real world. Changing depth, Subs go down fast, that is how you get yourself out of trouble. Nuke boats do not have a negative tank, but they are bult to submerge, they will attempt to dive at high surface speeds if not watched. The way DW is setup now the US Subs are way to slow on any depth changes. Some one talked about buoyancy, on the surface the subs weight is less than its buoyancy. When you open all vents on the dive the boat sinks like a rock. Once submerged and at depth the buoyancy is controlled by the trim tanks. The MBT are full of water and the vents are shut. The sub is kept at depth by trim tanks, planes and speed. You want to get down flood the trim tanks and go to full dive and believe me you are going to down. The COW on orders from the Conn will adjust trim and weight by pumping into or out of the trim tanks, the trim tanks -usually- are around 1/2 full.This setup now in DW is wrong. Also a nuke boat can do an airless surface by using it's engines to literally drive the boat to the surface, not the same as emergency blow and honestly it's rather fun. You can get about half the boat out of the water. Got to watch it so it don't slide back on you. The prsent setup of 1.03 makes know sense at all. Repectfully, Ron Banks MMCM(SS), USN(Ret)

11-25-05, 02:57 PM	#46
Mau Sonar Guy Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 382 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Thank you very much for everything you are trying here! I'll be following that closely

11-26-05, 06:41 AM	#50
Alex Nenadic Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Melbourne, FL USA Posts: 14 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The sub handling has gone to hell for me. So far I've only tested it with the 688i, but it takes the sub FOREVER to change depth. Literally it dives 1 ft per every 5-10 seconds. At best that works out to a 20 minute descent to 250 feet. The acceleration is FUBAR as well, going from 0 knots (ice surfacing) to 5 knots didn't work at all. Only managed to get it up to 5 by ordering flank speed and then stopping the dial once it hit 5.

11-26-05, 06:58 PM	#55
Amizaur Sonar Guy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poland Posts: 398 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The acceleration is lower than it was (and closer to real values I believe) but more importantly it's ADJUSTABLE now (which it wasn't in 1.01) so SCS or mod makers can set it to any value they want. If you order screw rotations for 5kts then no wonder that acceleration is low, and it takes quite long to reach those 5kts. And nothing strange in fact that if you order flank, you get those 5kts faster :-). The sub diving... is bugged now (everyone sees that) but that's why it's beta patch only :-), just work in progress :-).

11-27-05, 02:58 PM	#58
Amizaur Sonar Guy Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Poland Posts: 398 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Try to dive a sub from the surface and you'll see

11-27-05, 06:29 PM	#60
Alex Nenadic Swabbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Melbourne, FL USA Posts: 14 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	This might be related (and the reason why you cannot do a non emergency blow surfacing), in DW one cannot control the ship's trim angle. At the same time, the AI attempts to always keep it at 0Â°, or as close to 0Â° as possible. This is constructive criticism guys, I am not trying to be an ass.