Eurozone still dodgy

[STEED]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...epay-debt.html

If Spain went under would that be enough to see the end of the EU?

As for the news item this dose not surprise me at all. I hear the UK could be hit by Moody's downgrade rating if the country dose not pick up.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...epay-debt.html

In the mean time 19 UK banks could be hit.

http://www.gfsnews.com/article/1560/...de_19_UK_banks

[Gerald]

Greece has announced plans to sell 50bn euros of state assets in a bid to get its finances back on track. which I read on the BBC, but there have been people retire at 55 years similar to spain in some cases.

[STEED]

It's now 66 here and set to rise to 70, at this rate we will work on until you drop dead at work, hope not.

[Gerald]

Contract and work Until You are 70 years old.

[STEED]

I don't care what my government tells me, the Eurozone is far from being in the Black and Banks can not be trusted at all.

[Happy Times]

Its all going to end, EU, Euro, the federalist ideology of forcing a undemocratic system on the people, paying for the others bills, getting harassed by the eurocrats of EUSSR, it is going to burn.

[MothBalls]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Its all going to end, EU, Euro, the federalist ideology of forcing a undemocratic system on the people, paying for the others bills, getting harassed by the eurocrats of EUSSR, it is going to burn.

Anyone else see the irony in this being posed by someone named "Happy Times"?

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by MothBalls

Anyone else see the irony in this being posed by someone named "Happy Times"?

Sorry for not being happy about Finland destroying its credit rating to save Greece, Portugal, Ireland and the rest.
And for this European Stability Mechanism pressed upon us that will bring with it the Federal State in Europe without any democracy

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by MothBalls

Anyone else see the irony in this being posed by someone named "Happy Times"?

What I find ironic is that around the world, people are fighting, squabbling, and protesting. No one agrees on much, but all are very unhappy with their leaders. It seems we are witnessing an age of great upheval.

[kraznyi_oktjabr]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

Sorry for not being happy about Finland destroying its credit rating to save Greece, Portugal, Ireland and the rest.
And for this European Stability Mechanism pressed upon us that will bring with it the Federal State in Europe without any democracy

Very much my opinion too. Eurozone was nice when everyone took care of their own responsibilities like taking care of their economy. I don't remember anyone told that there would be obligation to pay others debts as necessary.

Politicians in Greece saw it fit to offer everything for everyone by loaning money and they failed to think who would pay the bill. Same fits to Portugal, Ireland and who know next? Luckily (for them) there are idiots like Finnish politicians who are happily paying others debt to look good in EU. I would like to know who they think will be stupid enough to pay Finland's debt in 2030's when this card house called Finland fails?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by STEED

If Spain went under would that be enough to see the end of the EU?

The eU? No, unfortunately. the Euro? Also no, they intend to leave it there no matter how high the costs will become. The EU meanwhile plans to directly tax European citizens, the Polish EU minister has made according plans more precise, and wants that the eU at least gets one third of it'S current budgets from European private people'S pockets direectly, so that the EU gets its income even if states and nations refuse to pay their budget obligations or want to threaten to cut their budgets if the EU does not stop to act like a head with a bigger azz around it. And I tell you, Germany, althoigh having the ghreatest interest of all to stop this madness, will be one of the loudest voices to defend these EU taxes (Schaüble already did), becasue shortsighted as they are they just see that there is a saving for the national budget if parts of the German EU budget now needs to be payed not by the state, but the German workers directly.

Blow up the parliament, I say. V like Vendetta. We are getting betrayed and betrayed and betrayed.

As for the news item this dose not surprise me at all. I hear the UK could be hit by Moody's downgrade rating if the country dose not pick up.

Germany as well. Rating agencies have realised since several months now that Gemany has shouldered more oblgations with those Euro bailout mechanisms than it can endure.

Japan does not make it easier. Plus the economic debacle that Japan was in already before the Tsnunami hit Fukushima.

We will get presented the bills for our economic sins and shortsighted stupidities. And maybe we do not have any right to complain, but just get what we deserve by having let it gone too far, for too long. It is in the people'S hands to sent politicians, lobbies and governments to hell - eithe rby elections,l and if that cannot work anymore, then by revolutions and violent force. But people don't do that. So...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

And for this European Stability Mechanism

What stability mechanism...?

There is none worth the name. The old one got killed, the new labels is given unjustified.

They are talking all this crap. But that does not mean that the crap has any meaning. Our chancellor Merkel has been chief secretary for propaganda in the GDR's FdJ. She has learned the business of propagandistic crap-talking from the very basics on, and since months we lauch in Germany aboiut the empty wordshells and hollow phrases she constantly fires to the press and the parliament. She is a crap-talker in the finest meaning of the word.

We have a nice nickname for her. We call her "Honnecker's late revenge to the BRD". And there is more truth in it than one can find pleasant. It is an irony of history that especially the socalled, now destroyed, conservatives have been stripped of the meaning of the word "conservative" by Merkel, and now are one of the strongest driving powers in the EU for an indeed socialist federal EU-state where the rich nations have to pay, pay, pay, pay until they have completely ruined themselves, too.

[Feuer Frei!]

@ Skybird:

who do you think would be CURRENTLY, as things stand right now in the best position to lead Germany?
And i don't mean from a popularity contest only factor.
Policies, strength of character, good speaker, knowledgable,
and amongst other things actually a willingness to want to help Germany out of the doldrums.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Skybird

What stability mechanism...?

Sorry, i ment the Ponzi scheme.

Crab talkin is going to its end because people are starting to see what they have actually done to us.
The big fall should have come in 2008, now everything is going to get so much worse.
Politicians and bankers are going to hang, maybe literally.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

@ Skybird:

who do you think would be CURRENTLY, as things stand right now in the best position to lead Germany?
And i don't mean from a popularity contest only factor.
Policies, strength of character, good speaker, knowledgable,
and amongst other things actually a willingness to want to help Germany out of the doldrums.

I have no name on mind. As far as I am concerned, you can sink the whole Reichstag and all party offices around it. There certainly is nobody qulifying for the descritpion of a "Staatsmann". And the whole poltical caste has degenerated into a pitiful bunch of nothingness that is only concverned with one question: how to use what tentacle to find a greasy way to cling to power.

It is a structural problem. These structures are not as that they can form and create great and good character in a politician to power. The systemn is tailored to reward the opportunist and the piowerhungry narcissist. Many little big egos, playing "manager".