SH5 or SH3 GWX?

[Enjay]

I played SH5 a bit. Liked it. Got a little frustrated then bought, after reading stuff here, SH3 with GWX which I had never tried (GWX, I mean).

The short version is that I quite liked some things in SH5, not to mention the visuals. I really like the depth, detail, etc of SH3/GWX. I never tried any mods in SH5.

My question is, which should I be playing?

[stoianm]

Originally Posted by Enjay

I played SH5 a bit. Liked it. Got a little frustrated then bought, after reading stuff here, SH3 with GWX which I had never tried (GWX, I mean).

The short version is that I quite liked some things in SH5, not to mention the visuals. I really like the depth, detail, etc of SH3/GWX. I never tried any mods in SH5.

My question is, which should I be playing?

Start with MO: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...176123&page=78

and

see this here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...0&postcount=61


The SH5 changed a lot in meantime after the effort of all moders from here.. the SH5 with mods it is completly another game... and i will say to play SH5... if you not belive watch some videos to see how SH5 looks now:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...02&postcount=1

regards

p.s. the only thing that i not like on sh5 it is that we have not so manny ships and that is raining when is -40 degrees outside

[Shiplord]

Originally Posted by Enjay

The short version is that I quite liked some things in SH5, not to mention the visuals.

Ask the many Minecraft player, it is not the visuals that moved them to play that game. SH5 is broken by design And no mod can cure this disease

[Takeda Shingen]

You'll get no end of opinions on this; many of them pretty harsh and nasty. My advice would be to try both. SH3 is pretty cheap now, and comes bundled with SH2. Then you can make your own call.

For the record, I disagree with Shiplord's assessment of the game.

Originally Posted by Shiplord

Ask the many Minecraft player, it is not the visuals that moved them to play that game. SH5 is broken by design And no mod can cure this disease

SH5 isn't a post-Medieval2 Total war game, it is modable and a lot of its problems can be fixed.

[Sailor Steve]

Aces Of The Deep is aces. Everything since is garbage.

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

You'll get no end of opinions on this; many of them pretty harsh and nasty. My advice would be to try both. SH3 is pretty cheap now, and comes bundled with SH2. Then you can make your own call.

Usually this is the point where I would go into a lengthy comparison, but what Tak said is the truth. It's all opinion. SH5 is newer and better, SH3 is more developed. SH5 is the future, but the future is still unfinished. SH3 is finished, but still being advanced. Nobody mentions SH4, which is somewhere in between and some think is the best.

See how easy opinions are, and how useless?

Which one should you play? Only you can answer that question, and only if you try all three. The bottom line is that the best is the one that suits you, and no one can do that for you. Since you already have SH3 it should be easy for you to find out.

[jwilliams]

Originally Posted by Enjay

I played SH5 a bit. Liked it. Got a little frustrated then bought, after reading stuff here, SH3 with GWX which I had never tried (GWX, I mean).

The short version is that I quite liked some things in SH5, not to mention the visuals. I really like the depth, detail, etc of SH3/GWX. I never tried any mods in SH5.

My question is, which should I be playing?

1 year ago, I would have said SH3 with GWX.

But now I find SH5 alot better than SH3 with GWX.
Why...
I find SH5 to be alot more realistic.
Being able to walk around the uboat,
the quality of the graphics.
The heavily modded AI (thanks to TheDarkWraith).
and i find the UI to be alot better (again thanks to TheDarkWraith for his Enhanced SH5 UI).
Even being able to interact with the crew (although this could do with alot of modding).

Sure SH5 is still missing a few things that GWX does better. for example :-
The campain has not been fully modded in SH5 yet.
You are restricted to just the type VII and its variants. uboats in SH5.
Merchant shipping, SH5 is lacking in the number of different merchant ships.

But you need to remember that SH3 Gwx has had alot more time spent modding it compaired to SH5. But SH5 is alot more modder friendly and in time the things that SH5 lacks will be added.

I play at 100% realism with real nav and realistic sound travel. I try to make the game as realistic as is possible.
My mod list :-

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
[D:\Games\Simulator\SH5\MODS]

Anti Lag
A Fistful of Emblems v1.51
A Fistful of Emblems v1.51 (Weathered)
Grossdeutscher Rundfunk
Rel_SH4_BBC_1939_to_1945
Magnum_Opus_v0_0_1PlusPatch1
Magnum_Opus_v0_0_1Patch2
Speech fixes and additions (german version)
Menu - Das Boot Departure Theme
Lite Campaign LC 1.2
Open_Horizons
SteelViking's Sky Banding Mod
Harbour Addition MOD V0.1 - Open_Horizons
Capthelms Audio+SV Touch Ups
Enhanced FunelSmoke_by HanSolo78
German U-Boat Hydrophone SFX
Unterseeboot II SFX
U-Boat Propulsion SFX
sobers realistic hydrophone operator SH5
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_ByTheDarkWraith
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_New_radio_messages_German
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_Real_Navigation
IO_StrategicMap_4_1_for_TDWv640&MO
FX_Update_0_0_15_ByTheDarkWraith
FX_Update_0_0_15_UHS_Fix
FX_Update_0_0_15_BARF_1_3_Full_Fix
IRAI_0_0_30_ByTheDarkWraith
IRAI_0_0_30_No_hydrophone_on_surface_No_Aircraft_s potting
Depth_Keeping_Problem_UHS_patch_HB_1_0_0_TheDarkWr aith
TheDarkWraith_DC_Water_Disturbances_v2_0_SH5
AirTorpedoes
Trevally Automated Scripts v0.5
Trevally Harbour & Kiel Canal Pilot patch

[stoianm]

I enjoy my SH5 and thanks to TDW and to all moders i think that is an playable game... i play realism 100%, real nav, etc... i try to put the immersivity at maximum in my SH5

This is not a tutorial - i made this video at the sugestion of Zedi and i wanted to share with you how i play my SH5 - most of time i do my calculation by visual and i try to use plotin as low as posible and also to not use my mouse and my keyboard... and belive me i have a lot of fun... somethimes i forget that i am in my room and i have the impresion that i am in an real UBAOT in the WWII time


stoianm How to play SH5 like a PRO with Real navigation, Voice commands and Realism 100%



My up to date mod soup is:

Generic Mod Enabler - v2.6.0.157
[C:\Ubisoft\Silent Hunter 5\MODS]
Magnum_Opus_v0_0_1 (patched 2)
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_ByTheDarkWraith
FX_Update_0_0_15_ByTheDarkWraith
FX_Update_0_0_15_UHS_Fix
FX_Update_0_0_15_BARF_1_3_Full_Fix
IRAI_0_0_30_ByTheDarkWraith
IRAI_0_0_30_No_hydrophone_on_surface_No_Aircraft_s potting
AirTorpedoes
Depth_Keeping_Problem_UHS_patch_HB_1_0_0_TheDarkWr aith
Church's SHV 1.01 Keyboard Commands v1.1
1 degree bearing RibAr
A Fistful of Emblems v1.51
AIR Missions
Black_Skin_albrecht
Church's Compass Dials Mod v2.2 - Option Two
Church's NavMap v1.0 - Illyustrator's Version
Convoy
Critical hits 1.1 Torpedos
EnahncedFunnelSmoke1.2_SH5
EQuaTool 01.01 by AvM - double set - Large plus Flat Style
German U-Boat Crew Language Pack
Gramophone
Grossdeutscher Rundfunk
Icebergs v2.4
Lite Campaign with Ice
Naights Submaine Textures (internal) v1.2(test)
Nauticalwolf's_Torpedo_Textures_v1.2
noir decks
North Atlantic Green 1.1
nVidia missing lights
Officers skin by Naights
Old Style Explosions V1.1
Patch1_Terrain_harbour_flags_Mod_v1_2_1
pescarus mod
Progress Bar for Fuel Batt Air CO2 and Push Buttons By Torpedo v1
Real Environment - Revision (stoianm)
remove electric torp wake
renow_points_0_compatible a fistfull of emblems version_by stoianm
SD_MapCourseLine_tiny_arrows_ocred
SD_MapLocationNameFix_v1_1
Shadow Improvement Mod
soan
sobers base sky mechanics V1
sobers base wave mechanics V15 SH5
sobers real trees
SteelViking's Sky Banding Mod
stoianm blue water and EnvNights compatible Real Environment - Revision
Stoianm Scopes 16x9
TDC Graphics by Naights v1.0
SUB SIM FOR====Depth_Keeping_Problem_UHS_patch_HB_1_0_0_Th eDarkWraith
TheDarkWraith_DC_Water_Disturbances_v2_0_SH5
Torpedo Splash
Trevally Automated Scripts v0.5
Trevally Harbour & Kiel Canal Pilot patch
Trevally Tutorials - All v0.2 (for TDW UI)
Window_Lights_Redone_V1
Stormys dark torpedo body + dark OBS periscope shaft v1
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 Basemod
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 optional -6db damped Sonarguy
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 optional NavMap babelling
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 optional remaining orig sounds converted to 22Khz
DBSM_Music_1_0_4
Stormys DBSM SH5 v1.3 HOTFIX 3
Unterseeboot II SFX
sobers talking conning crew mod
stoianm sounds
stoianm key commands
apa pura
sobers 3D deck spray mod V7
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_Real_Navigation
sh5.exe patch (hydro) v0.0.3
AOB slide ruller for TDW UIs and MO by stoianm
Speech Recognition_v1.4_MiTons_NewUI_Editon _english
hydro periscope depth
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_Waypoint_Contacts_No_Symbols
NewUIs_TDC_6_4_0_Waypoint_Contacts_No_Tails

[Trevally.]

Originally Posted by Shiplord

Ask the many Minecraft player, it is not the visuals that moved them to play that game. SH5 is broken by design And no mod can cure this disease

Boooooo

[Zedi]

Originally Posted by stoianm

...
i wanted to share with you how i play my SH5 - most of time i do my calculation by visual and i try to use plotin as low as posible and also to not use my mouse and my keyboard... and belive me i have a lot of fun... somethimes i forget that i am in my room and i have the impresion that i am in an real UBAOT in the WWII time
...

Excellent, thats what Im talking about! Voice command really makes you feel like your there and combined with real nav... its just crazy. Using voice command you dont need any UI, I use the "hide UI" option from TDW UI, so the screen is empty and clear, making the sim more immersive. Maybe its a bit scary and hard to use it at first time, especially for those who had the habit to click-a-lot in SH3, but worth to try it. Its a whole different game and gives you a strong "Im the captain" feeling.

This video show the power of SH5 after a year of hard work in moding it. Again, a BIG thanks to all moders who made SH5 best in the series. And thanks Stoian for making the video, it was always very hard for me to explain why to use voice command and how it feels and looks like.

[Enjay]

Thanks to everyone for their replies and suggestions.

So, I have installed the MO mod, with patch. It IS much better. I am having to save a lot as I occassionally crash (is that what CDT is?).

What should I do next?

I am in first patrol. 7.1K tons sent to the bottom!

[stoianm]

Originally Posted by Enjay

Thanks to everyone for their replies and suggestions.

So, I have installed the MO mod, with patch. It IS much better. I am having to save a lot as I occassionally crash (is that what CDT is?).

What should I do next?

I am in first patrol. 7.1K tons sent to the bottom!

- when you have CTDs?... post here your mod soup and your computer spec pls

regards

[Enjay]

My settings are:
Intel Core Duo 2 @ 2.5Ghz
4GB
Win 7 32-bit
Dx 11
GeForce 9600M GT v195.62

Can't correlate any CDT with any action on my part except they happen in Nav view--but I spend a lot of time there...

[stoianm]

Originally Posted by Enjay

My settings are:
Intel Core Duo 2 @ 2.5Ghz
4GB
Win 7 32-bit
Dx 11
GeForce 9600M GT v195.62

Can't correlate any CDT with any action on my part except they happen in Nav view--but I spend a lot of time there...

it is a fix for the systems on 32 bits:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith
Here is something to try for those of you having CTDs or using 32 bit OS:

Try this only if you have at least 2 GByte of RAM and at your own risk and using Vista/Win7 32 bit version.
First download the explorer from http://www.ntcore.com/exsuite.php
Next make a backup copy of SH5.exe. Then start "CFF Explorer" and open the orginal SH5.exe file.
Now go to NT Header/File Header and click File Header. There you will find a button labeld "click here". Click it and select the mark at "App can handle> 2gb adressest "
Save the modified EXE, overwrite the orginal one (You do have your backup of it in a safe location right?).
If you run Windows Vista 64 or Windows XP 64 or Win7 64 you're ready and didnt need to read on. The rest is only for Windows Vista 32/Win7 32 or maybe Windows XP.
Now make Windows Vista/Win7 (32-Bit) ready to support more than 2 GByte.
Open a command prompt with Administration rights. You find it under "Programs->Accessories->Command prompt" click right and select "run as administrator".
Enter "bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 3072" (without quotes) in the command window and press enter.
After that restart windows

To reset back to 2GB limit:
to reset the Increased User Adressspace just start the commandline prompt with Admin right again and enter "bcdedit /set IncreaseUserVA 2048"

See if the above helps at all

Another idea is to install previous version of DirectX ( < v11). I have Win7 64bit but ALWAYS install previous DirectX versions for compatibility reasons. Go to Microsoft's website and search for DirectX. Run the DirectX web installer from their website. You can have DirectX9 AND DirectX11 installed on Win7.

EDIT:

just checked the sh5.exe file and it's large address aware so enabling the 3GB switch in 32bit OSs should help:

Microsoft (R) COFF/PE Dumper Version 9.00.30729.01
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Dump of file sh5.exe
PE signature found
File Type: EXECUTABLE IMAGE
FILE HEADER VALUES
14C machine (x86)
5 number of sections
4BCE9A96 time date stamp Wed Apr 21 01:26:30 2010
0 file pointer to symbol table
0 number of symbols
E0 size of optional header
122 characteristics
Executable
Application can handle large (>2GB) addresses
32 bit word machine

[ddrgn]

Originally Posted by Shiplord

Ask the many Minecraft player, it is not the visuals that moved them to play that game. SH5 is broken by design And no mod can cure this disease

I couldn't imagine after playing years of GWX and one year of SH5, even considering recommending SH3 to anyone anymore. I hate to tell the SH3 fans around here but what SH5 and its community has done surpasses anything done with its predecessors. This is my opinion after following the modding done with SH3/4/5 for the last 5 years daily. If i was still on the fence about buying SH5 because of certain requirements and personal preference, I would be sooo sooo jealous of what the SH5 modding community does and would probably hide out in the SH3 and 4 forums