Cousin of wikileaks thread: China aiding Taliban - Page 2

Capt. Morgan · 12-19-10, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Good ol' commies never change there stripes. Go figure we bail them out of WWII ...

I hope you're not saying that the U.S. bailed out the Soviet Union in WWII.

Oberon · 12-19-10, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt. Morgan

I hope you're not saying that the U.S. bailed out the Soviet Union in WWII.

Think he was referring to ChiComs, although IIRC the US was more on the Kai-sheks side than Maos...but either which way, they and the Soviets kicked the Japs out of China.

the_tyrant · 12-19-10, 09:50 PM

the possibility of this being true is really unlikely

Some ideas i got from a chinese forum:
"This is really unlikely, since the Taliban supports 东突(a Chinese Islamic terrorist organization)"
"China has a lot of investments in Afghanistan and Iraq. Many Chinese experts are sent there to support the local government, I do not believe that china will actually do this"
"China sells weapons to Pakistan, so it is most likely that the Taliban got Chinese equipment from Pakistan"

TLAM Strike · 12-19-10, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

the possibility of this being true is really unlikely

Some ideas i got from a chinese forum:
"This is really unlikely, since the Taliban supports 东突(a Chinese Islamic terrorist organization)"
"China has a lot of investments in Afghanistan and Iraq. Many Chinese experts are sent there to support the local government, I do not believe that china will actually do this"
"China sells weapons to Pakistan, so it is most likely that the Taliban got Chinese equipment from Pakistan"

Well if they got these weapons from Pakistan or Iran than that would be in violation of the reexport prohibitions that are part of such arms deals. In such a case China must stop exporting weapons to these countries otherwise these prohibitions are meaningless and the Chinese are just as guilty.

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

No, much more like Vietnam itself. Nothing sexy about it.

Well now that really depended on where you got to take your shore leave.

Takeda Shingen · 12-19-10, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Well now that really depended on where you got to take your shore leave.

12-20-10, 03:03 AM

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Well if they got these weapons from Pakistan or Iran than that would be in violation of the reexport prohibitions that are part of such arms deals. In such a case China must stop exporting weapons to these countries otherwise these prohibitions are meaningless and the Chinese are just as guilty.

Where did the communist bloc weapons that were shipped to the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan come from and who was involved in that re exporting of weapons to terrorists?
Come to think of it wasn't Reagan involved in several illegal arms deals?
Glass houses eh

TLAM Strike · 12-20-10, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Where did the communist bloc weapons that were shipped to the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan come from and who was involved in that re exporting of weapons to terrorists?

Those weapons we got from China for that, we didn't have any agreement about reexport.

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Come to think of it wasn't Reagan involved in several illegal arms deals?
Glass houses eh

At least we were doing it to get our citizens back. What are the Chinese doing it for? Money...

the_tyrant · 12-20-10, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Those weapons we got from China for that, we didn't have any agreement about reexport.

At least we were doing it to get our citizens back. What are the Chinese doing it for? Money...

Its all geopolitics, screwing with the us is pretty high on their priorities

12-20-10, 01:20 PM

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Those weapons we got from China for that, we didn't have any agreement about reexport.

Did you have an agreement that the US weapons shipments could be re exported to third governments and non government groups?
Then again that small potatos when you have exports of US arms to groups and countries that are subject to arms embargos.
Hey your govt even has a long running habit of still suppling weapons to terrorists and governments after passing legislation explicitly banning the arms shipments to them
So sorry TLAM leave it to others to complain about China being dodgy as you support the same dodgy deals and your govt is equally as guilty as you are saying China is.

Ain't that a bugger when you find you are the moral equivalents of the chinese communist dictatorship

onelifecrisis · 12-20-10, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Ain't that a bugger when you find you are the moral equivalents of the chinese communist dictatorship

Now that's not really fair on the Chinese, Tribesman. They don't support such behaviour with votes.

TLAM Strike · 12-20-10, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Did you have an agreement that the US weapons shipments could be re exported to third governments and non government groups?
Then again that small potatos when you have exports of US arms to groups and countries that are subject to arms embargos.
Hey your govt even has a long running habit of still suppling weapons to terrorists and governments after passing legislation explicitly banning the arms shipments to them
So sorry TLAM leave it to others to complain about China being dodgy as you support the same dodgy deals and your govt is equally as guilty as you are saying China is.

Ain't that a bugger when you find you are the moral equivalents of the chinese communist dictatorship

But the stuff we export is generally defensive in nature. Chinese CSS-2 IRBMs don't defend airspace, F-15s do. The Varang and Gorshkov were not purchased to defend their own harbors. We only sell the purely offensive weapons to our close allies in NATO and the Asian Rim.

For every weapon we export to some shady group we export a hundred to an ally. All the Chinese seem to do is arm 3rd world despots. How many free and democratic nations arm their militaries with Chinese weapons?

Fish · 12-20-10, 02:34 PM

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A British military official contends that Chinese specialists have been seen training Taliban fighters in the use of infrared-guided surface-to-air missiles.

Reminds me... lets see.. US (CIA) officials delivering missiles to the Taliban (Mujahedin) back in, when was it, the early eighties.

12-20-10, 02:46 PM

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The Varang and Gorshkov were not purchased to defend their own harbors.

You really shouldn't mention harbours, after all it just brings up an opening for that old line about State sponsored terrorism...you know State sponsored terrorism like what is so bad its done by countries like the axis of evil

So would you like to open up further the moral equivalence measure of the US and some fundamentalist theocracy or third world dictatorship?

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For every weapon we export to some shady group we export a hundred to an ally.

So if I help an old lady across the road lots of times it isn't bad if I do a murder once in a while.

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How many free and democratic nations arm their militaries with Chinese weapons?

How many dictatorships has the US supported and armed?

See the problem yet? you are condemning the very same things that you support and in trying to justify the very thing yiou condemn aredigging yourself ever deeper into the pile of nasty crap that you know is very nasty.

August · 12-20-10, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Fish

Reminds me... lets see.. US (CIA) officials delivering missiles to the Taliban (Mujahedin) back in, when was it, the early eighties.

Mujahedin is not the same thing as being Taliban. You do realize that right?

XabbaRus · 12-20-10, 03:24 PM

Yes but the Mujahadein some of them became the Taliban, and it is the same matter.

EG, Russia was fighting against the Mujahadein, Russia was the enemy of the US, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, therefore the US supplies Stinger missiles to the Muahadein.

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US & NATO is fighting against the Taliba, NATO is viewed maybe not as a straight enemy by China but close enough, so China supplies the Taliban with Chinese equivalent to Stinger missiles as the enemy of the guy who is a pain in the butt and could become my enemy is my friend.

I personally don't believe it as I can't see what China would have to gain, but if true then I think the logic above is comparable to the US supply the Mujahadein with Stingers is in the same vein.

I wouldn't be suprised though if the Chinese know the Iranian weapons are being lost so to speak and ending up in 'stan.

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XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Yes but the Mujahadein some of them became the Taliban, and it is the same matter. EG, Russia was fighting against the Mujahadein, Russia was the enemy of the US, the enemy of my enemy is my friend, therefore the US supplies Stinger missiles to the Muahadein. Now. US & NATO is fighting against the Taliba, NATO is viewed maybe not as a straight enemy by China but close enough, so China supplies the Taliban with Chinese equivalent to Stinger missiles as the enemy of the guy who is a pain in the butt and could become my enemy is my friend. I personally don't believe it as I can't see what China would have to gain, but if true then I think the logic above is comparable to the US supply the Mujahadein with Stingers is in the same vein. I wouldn't be suprised though if the Chinese know the Iranian weapons are being lost so to speak and ending up in 'stan. __________________

12-19-10, 09:50 PM	#18
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	the possibility of this being true is really unlikely Some ideas i got from a chinese forum: "This is really unlikely, since the Taliban supports 东突(a Chinese Islamic terrorist organization)" "China has a lot of investments in Afghanistan and Iraq. Many Chinese experts are sent there to support the local government, I do not believe that china will actually do this" "China sells weapons to Pakistan, so it is most likely that the Taliban got Chinese equipment from Pakistan"