DREAM Act, more like the NIGHTMARE Act

[Zachstar]

Our attempts at bipartisanship have been met with nothing but hostility from republicans. Even on their OWN ideas!

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Is this the left's attempt at bipartisanship? I had almost given up hope.

I dunno. Is "libtards" the right's attempt at it?

What's good for the goose...

[Takeda Shingen]

It's good to see that respect and maturity are still part of political discussion on SubSim.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by XabbaRus

If you are wondering why the personal attacks then maybe you should think about the way that you introduce your posts.

They are full of invective and fury not rational analysis. A lot of people agree with you as disagree with you but a lot of how a discussion continues and how people respond stems from the first post. By all means you have a right to be angry at what your government does that you don't agree with and post that here but I think you need to calm it down a little. You are studying law and I hope you don't approach your subjects the same way as you approach things here.

I am passionate about this issue.Illegal Immigration is one of the real long term threats to America, economically, culturally, as well as national security wise.My posts have rational analysis, I have stated many times the damage illegal immigration does and how it is wrong to allow criminals to be rewarded or put ahead of actual citizens.I am sure my passion comes across in my posts and that is okay with me.Nothing wrong with actually caring about something that is harming this nation and will harm us much more if we do not get it under control while we can.

The personal attacks are usually from Left wingers who like to pull the race card and say I am being racist, bigoted etc when it is simply not true.I find that highly insulting and aggravating because it detracts from the discussion.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Bill diddnt fail it diddnt get to a vote because Rethugs did not vote for cloture.

And because of that we will call out rethuglicans on their votes against the military. Keep giving us political ammo repubs!

Not a vote against the military, vote against Reid and the other sc, eh well Senators trying to stick their political agenda onto a defense bill because they KNOW that a bill with just the DREAM Act or Just a DADT repeal will FAIL.Cynical ploy by Reid who thinks many "middle of the road" or non political types who don't follow politics day to day or don't understand the process will simply think the Republicans voted against money for the military.Majority of Americans are not that dumb, sorry Uncle Harry, try again.

[Zachstar]

The republicans voted against the military bill making their vote anti-military anti-gay and anti-immigrant at the same time.

Democrats will POUND the republicans with that. There is no defense.. No reason. The thugs knew what they were doing and the ads will show it.

Oh I can see the ads now. When democrats go on the offensive they will show America just how insanely right the Republican party under Sarah Palin has become. Thugs claim "moderate" which is laughable considering their most moderate showing "John McCain" went down the drain when they forced him to go further right to appease the nutjobs.

This vote against the Military will haunt repubs this year.

[GoldenRivet]

says you.

fact remains that the democrats sold out American Citizens wholesale.

the November election results will determine how the majority of people view our nation's leadership.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I am passionate about this issue.Illegal Immigration is one of the real long term threats to America, economically, culturally, as well as national security wise.My posts have rational analysis, I have stated many times the damage illegal immigration does and how it is wrong to allow criminals to be rewarded or put ahead of actual citizens.I am sure my passion comes across in my posts and that is okay with me.Nothing wrong with actually caring about something that is harming this nation and will harm us much more if we do not get it under control while we can.

The personal attacks are usually from Left wingers who like to pull the race card and say I am being racist, bigoted etc when it is simply not true.I find that highly insulting and aggravating because it detracts from the discussion.

Your posts are full of bigoted remarks. Even when almost everyone here IS for Immigration changes.

Have you not noted how I want a mess of drones on the border as an effective way to catch groups of em? I want TOUGH new measures against companies that hire em. Etc...

But when you claim they bring Disease like something out of a history book. That is crossing the line by any measurement. Diseases get transfered globally due to air and sea travel. That is why there are measures taken to try to combat the effects. Illegal's have NOTHING to do with that. They catch the same crap everyone does. So putting that in there is just about as bigoted as it gets.

I am not DUMB enough to think that illegials will join JUST to get citizenship. JUST to vote only dem. Saying otherwise would be calling military vets mindless and clueless. They will vote on the issues that matter to them just like EVERYONE. If they vote dem it is because Repubs have voted against them or their family's future.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Your posts are full of bigoted remarks. Even when almost everyone here IS for Immigration changes.

Have you not noted how I want a mess of drones on the border as an effective way to catch groups of em? I want TOUGH new measures against companies that hire em. Etc...

But when you claim they bring Disease like something out of a history book. That is crossing the line by any measurement. Diseases get transfered globally due to air and sea travel. That is why there are measures taken to try to combat the effects. Illegal's have NOTHING to do with that. They catch the same crap everyone does. So putting that in there is just about as bigoted as it gets.

I am not DUMB enough to think that illegials will join JUST to get citizenship. JUST to vote only dem. Saying otherwise would be calling military vets mindless and clueless. They will vote on the issues that matter to them just like EVERYONE. If they vote dem it is because Repubs have voted against them or their family's future.

First of all I did not say they bring disease, that was someone else.However, since you raised the issue, they can and some do bring disease, as can any immigrants who are not checked.Why do you think people had to be inspected at ellis island ? Europeans brought a ton of disease that killed many of the native populations.I do recall that the current strain of swine flu was said to have originated in Mexico.Hmm wonder how many illegals brought it across the border? Perfectly valid, non bigoted point but certain members like to play the race card to distract from the real issue.All humans spread disease but most illegals are usually poor, uneducated with little access to healthcare so are not going to get checked before crossing.



I rarely actually address illegal mexican immigrants, I am talking about all illegals.All illegals aggravate me, it shows a fundamental disrespect for America, her actual citizens who have a right to be here and our laws.That is my problem.I could care less if you are mexican, chinese, european etc, come here legally and if you dont then you need to go back and should not get anything from the US other than a ride back.

Illegals would join mainly to get citizenship, also college paid for as well as "three hots and cot" in addition to all the other benefits.They would not join to vote Dem but the Dems are pushing this in order to pander to hispanics and the loyalty this would inspire from many who would become citizens, dam the effects on this nation as long as the Dems get to stay in and implement their far left agenda.

Yes the Republican Party will prob not do things in illegal immigrants best interest, you know why? Their job just is to do things in best interest of this country and its actual citizens who have the rights and are entitled, not some illegal.Dems have shown they believe their job is to cater to criminals with things like AZ lawsuit etc.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

The republicans voted against the military bill making their vote anti-military anti-gay and anti-immigrant at the same time.

Democrats will POUND the republicans with that. There is no defense.. No reason. The thugs knew what they were doing and the ads will show it.

Oh I can see the ads now. When democrats go on the offensive they will show America just how insanely right the Republican party under Sarah Palin has become. Thugs claim "moderate" which is laughable considering their most moderate showing "John McCain" went down the drain when they forced him to go further right to appease the nutjobs.

This vote against the Military will haunt repubs this year.

LOL how can you say that? really?

This was a vote against the attached amendments that should be brought up as their own bill, not piggybacking in to try and force votes.Bravo to the Republicans and Dems who voted against this garbage.

DADT is a good policy and is not bout being anti gay but is about morale which is very important.Everyone I talk to in the military is for the policy.Of course Liberals who know nothing about the military(most of them) are for it because they think the military a good place to try out social engineering.Simple, keep your sex life to yourself and no problem.People know what the policy is when they join, they dont like it, shouldnt have joined.Of course groups always think the rule don't apply to them and that everyone should cater to them


The DREAM Act provides amnesty and should never be enacted.They deserve nothing but a trip to their country of origin.

[Zachstar]

You must have hated bush with glee when he proposed his plan for immigration.

DADT is on it's way out. That is not social engineering that is reality. And it is silly for you to say that considering that Clinton was the one who enacted it.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

You must have hated bush with glee when he proposed his plan for immigration.

DADT is on it's way out. That is not social engineering that is reality. And it is silly for you to say that considering that Clinton was the one who enacted it.

I was quite angry with Bush over his proposed policy.

DADT is not as dead as some may think.The policy is about morale.

Clinton enacted the policy as a compromise and I actually approve of that. DADT is a good thing.Morale issue not a civil rights issue.Military is different than civ world.If a civ employer tried to have a DADT policy, I would be against it but military is different.

[Zachstar]

They said the exact same things about African Americans in the military...

[ETR3(SS)]

On the bit about college education, when you enlist you have the option of signing up for the Montgomery GI Bill and it was $50k when I joined and has gone up a little since. Also going off the top of my head here, Congress approved additional educational funding called the Post 9/11 something or other that added an addition $100k of educational funding. I think I still have the info about it here somewhere.

So if an immigrant joins the military (thank you TLAM btw for that info) they are pretty much already getting what Mr. Reid is pushing. So why is this such a big deal? Something stinks and I think it's coming from Mr. Reid.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

They said the exact same things about African Americans in the military...

Seriously? That is different.Race and sexual preference are two entirely different things.

I assume you are comparing the intergration of the Armed Forces to homosexuals in the military correct?