"Islam is like a drug"

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Diopos

"Islam is like a drug"

Uhmm ... I was always under the impression that "Love Is A Drug" ...



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I heard somewhere that video gaming is addictive. Psshaw right! Hang on, gotta take care of something in Farmville... *clicky clicky*


UPDATE - Aw this sucks. I got my ass kicked in Mob Wars again. OTOH my strawberries are doing quite well. =D

[Gerald]

"Love Is A Drug" ...



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[AngusJS]

Islam is like a drug

...but what was even more like a drug were the drugs.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

...but what was even more like a drug were the drugs.

Homer Simpson

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Ah, that is what you mean. Now I get it. You might be surprised but not for everybody it is that obvious a link at all when somebody refers to a moderate Muslim criticising Islam, and for that in return gets compared to Nazism.

Well, calling somebody a Nazi when he criticises Islam, tells more about your own damaged thinking, than about Abdel-Samad's, or mine. But that additional self-displaying of yours was not really needed anymore to illustrate who you are.

Maybe because in the years before WW2 many groups were using similar tactics to attack the Jews. It seems moderate before the death camps.

So yes if you feel such way about Islam I am equally able to say you read Hitler's book before breakfast.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Maybe because in the years before WW2 many groups were using similar tactics to attack the Jews. It seems moderate before the death camps.

So yes if you feel such way about Islam I am equally able to say you read Hitler's book before breakfast.

How can you people be so skewed?

It is Islam that compares to NS as an ideology.

National Socialism and Anti-Semitism in the Arab World
http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-kuntzel-s05.htm

[CCIP]

...even assuming that the institution of Islam is as bad as you make it out to be, and your solution to it is not "final", then what? If this doesn't resemble the logic behind the Holocaust (although I think in some regard it does), then it certainly resembles the logic behind the internment of ethnic Japanese in Allied countries during WWII. Or the ethnic Ukrainians during WWI. Or Soviet deportations of various ethnic groups under Stalin.

But those were necessary to combat threats too, right?

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

How can you people be so skewed?

It is Islam that compares to NS as an ideology.

National Socialism and Anti-Semitism in the Arab World
http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-kuntzel-s05.htm

A muslim group paid to build religious buildings for the Jewish faith to build peace and understanding. So as long as ANYONE treats subsim to a almost daily barrage of Anti-Islam bigotry. I will consider them to be active readers of "My Struggle" Hell I will fully admit I thought of that one because I know he is from Germany. Why not? He paints an entire class of people as something they are not. Perhaps a little taste of his own bullcrap will help him understand.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Maybe because in the years before WW2 many groups were using similar tactics to attack the Jews. It seems moderate before the death camps.

Read a better history book, if this really is your conclusion.

So yes if you feel such way about Islam I am equally able to say you read Hitler's book before breakfast.

This is no game of keeping a balance between two statements on a one-to-one basis. If one thing gets crtiicised for being bad, saying so does not automatically mean it is bad in itself a statement, too, just to establish an imaginery balance again. You argue on a basis of an eye for an eye, it seems.

1. Islam is deeply antisemitic itself. It always was, and still is. That goes back to the time when Muhammad was shown his intellectual limits by Jewish scholars in dabte - a deeply narcissistic offence to his ego. He reacted not by getting better education, but launching two wars and committing genocide.

2. The Jews in the third Reich were victims of crime. Muhammeddans are not. Precisely, they are the most dominant subgroup in the vast majority of categoeires of violent crime, massively overrepresented both compared to the local native population in European countries, and other migrant groups.

3. The hate o Jews in the Nazi era was based on arranged claims and forged evidence, it was based on irrationality and hysteric fear. Islam-criticism is based on empirically proven facts and Islam'S very own claims, demands and scripture. It is rational.

4. Antisemitism is a sociological and cultural phenomenen, and is more than 2000 years old. Islamophobia is a propaganda term introduced by the Saudis, Khomenei and the PC bridgade in the West. It is just 30 years old.

5. Islam in the West enjoys more freedoms and rights - and makes excessive use of them - than it does ion any Muslim country. If they all feel so supressed and discriminated, I wonder why the hell they are here.

6. The situation of Christian and Jewish and other minorities in Muslim countries does not compare. They are the object of systemtic discrimination and oppression everywhere, sometimes more, sometimes less. Their communtieites have been constantly reduced or driven out since over 1000 years. Everywhere. Rare exceptions from the rule every couple of months, do not change the rule, nor does this reverse the historic trend.

In general you can compare everything with everything. Bikinis with Burkhas. Facism with Liberalism, holocaust with Islam-criticism. It makes sense, like a German author has written some month ago, in the same way like it makes sense to compore a hippo with a human: both eat, both sleep, both multiply in a heterosexual manner. You can think that way, if you want, it is your right. And it is my right to not take you serious.

Killing heretics. Killing "offenders". Enslaving women. Executioning by stoning. Prostitution by 24 hours-marriages. Racism against all infidels, especially Jews. Totalitarian social control. Supremacism and the rrsulting arrogant and haughty attitude towards others. Total intolerance against other cultures, and the demand for their subjugation and final destruction. Protection money. Legalising lie and deception to drive Islam'S cause. Terrorism, and the ideologic justification through the Quran. Msrdering homosexuals. Limb-amputation for even minor crimes which may even have been committed by despair: hunger, for example. Honour killings in families. Patriarchalic terror inside families, and the psychological crippling of the following generation. Inferiority complexes combining with unlimited narcissism, producing a very instable, self-igniting psychological mixture. Sexual inheritance. Dealing with female victims of family crimes and rape as if they are the perpetrators. Superstitious anti-intellectualism and the total lack of ability for critical self-reflection. Fatalkism motivated by superstition, resulting in lacking compassion for the fate of others (and thus lacking efforts to come to others help - floodings in Pakistan being the latest example). Intensive missionsing in the West, land-taking, and increaisnginly influencing education and legislation. - The problem is not to criticise all this, it is not irrational to do so, it is not phobic, but it is very rational, very healthy and reasonable, it is self-defenmce in favour of freedom and liberty and our own cultural identities, it is based on proven empirical facts en masse, on scripture, and the thinking of hundreds of millions of Muslims worldwide. Some poeple try to always distract by pointing out how diverse Islam is. But politically, the whole global Ummah speaks with one voice, aims at the same direction, reaches for the same goals. This is what I mean when saying there is only one Islam. Islam is not just any religion like Christianity and Judaism: it is politics and conquest more than it ever was the case with the church in the West during the reign of the church. The problem is not to criticise all this, but the problem we have is the object of this criticism. You can try to ignore it and make it disappear by endlessly relativising it and stressing the most absurd comparisons (which only illustrate your own irrationality), but this will not make them go away, but leaves them only the time to grow stronger and stronger.

Was den Islam von anderen Religionen unterscheidet

Der Islam hingegen wird als Religion dargestellt, wobei der westliche Religionsbegriff willkürlich übertragen wird auf den Islam, ohne die elementaren Unterschiede des Islam im Vergleich zu anderen Religionen auch nur ansatzweise zu berücksichtigen. Diese sind der politische Herrschaftsanspruch, die hierzu gehörende Rechtssprechung, die in einzigartiger Weise Religion und Justiz verschmolzen hat, sowie das zentrale Vorbild für die islamische Gesellschaft in Form des Propheten Mohammed. Dieser war kein pazifistisch-religiöser Verkünder wie Jesus oder Buddha, sondern Regent eines Staates, der Angriffskriege führte, Karawanen ausrauben ließ, Attentate an Kritikern in Auftrag gab, Sklaven hielt und als Richter fungierte.

[Skybird]

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pa...s-Muhammad.htm

[Biggles]

The point of this thread is....?

Originally Posted by Skybird

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pa...s-Muhammad.htm

Ah yes the "Muslims have to follow every word of their holy book while Christians only have to follow parts of their book that they agree with" Crowd.

Love thy neighbor, I bet you could twist that around to "Kill all your non-christian neighbors then love thy new neighbors that are christian"

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Biggles

The point of this thread is....?

At the pointy end. hee hee hee

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Skybird

In the first that is what Muhammad's Islam is - during his life already he acted like this,

I don't recall the part where he launched military campaigns on non-Muslims precisely because they were not Muslims. I do recall him invading Mecca because of his pissyness over the Treaty of Hudabiyyah and later Arabia after the confederate tribes mobilized an army larger than his own and prepared to invade him in turn out of their anti-Meccan politics.

Originally Posted by Skybird

although the final version of the one and only standard Quran still took some time to be formed up after his death.

A bit like the Bible and Torah, which the Qur'an borrows heavily from. The final versions were not completed until years later and after undergoing many revisions.

Originally Posted by Rilder

Ah yes the "Muslims have to follow every word of their holy book while Christians only have to follow parts of their book that they agree with" Crowd.

Love thy neighbor, I bet you could twist that around to "Kill all your non-christian neighbors then love thy new neighbors that are christian"

"Could"? Plenty have- Christian sect against Christian sect, Christianity against non-Christian religions. If not witches and Jews in Spain (more recently, Christians have taken after witches in Africa and Asia), Jews in Germany following the Black Plague, Protestant Christians (Huguenots) in France, and Muslims in the various Crusader Wars of the Middle East... and more Jews there in the latter as well.

[Happy Times]

Originally Posted by CCIP

...even assuming that the institution of Islam is as bad as you make it out to be, and your solution to it is not "final", then what? If this doesn't resemble the logic behind the Holocaust (although I think in some regard it does), then it certainly resembles the logic behind the internment of ethnic Japanese in Allied countries during WWII. Or the ethnic Ukrainians during WWI. Or Soviet deportations of various ethnic groups under Stalin.

But those were necessary to combat threats too, right?

Enforce our secular societies and rule of law without hesitation and abandon multiculturalism as an ideology, demanding full integration to our core values.

Present our objections and criticism openly and with vigor to muslim communities and nations about any possible issues.

Demand muslim nations that support and endorce terrorism to cease or be open to retaliatory measures ranging from economic to military actions, saudi arabia should be on top of that list.

We can start discussing about the exact policies when we get past the debate should something even change in our outlook.