I gave up on SH5

[rascal101]

Brilliant!

Thanks for those

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

I quote 2 German proverbs:

"Speaking comes by nature, silence by understanding."

"Instead of complaining that the rosebush is full of thorns, be happy that the thorn bush has roses."

[jdkbph]

Umm... guys, we're all glad that some of you are actually enjoying SH5. No meed to jump on every post that decries the flaws and short comings of a game, in many ways so obviously inferior to it's predecessor.

People buy and play games like these with different expectations. Just because your expectations don't align with the OP doesn't make him wrong, nor does it make you stupid for enjoying something he feels is crap.

IMHO, you pays your money, you deserves your say... even if it's been said a thousand times already by someone else.

JD

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by jdkbph

Umm... guys, we're all glad that some of you are actually enjoying SH5. No meed to jump on every post that decries the flaws and short comings of a game, in many ways so obviously inferior to it's predecessor.

People buy and play games like these with different expectations. Just because your expectations don't align with the OP doesn't make him wrong, nor does it make you stupid for enjoying something he feels is crap.

IMHO, you pays your money, you deserves your say... even if it's been said a thousand times already by someone else.

JD

You make a good point, i respect it fully.
I think that us game owners who allegedly jump on "every" post to point out that said post has been posted a thousand times before does not indicate that we game owners who do this disagree with the O.P. or indeed the person that again has made an observation which, and let's face it, is a tedious and unoriginal post.
We the game owners who appear to disagree with the gameowners who continuously post words which have become tired and worn, and some, i stress the word some game owners who hijack a thread to meander off-topic, if they actually even addressed the thread title in the first place, that is, well.....then surely the game owners who apparently don't agree with the "you suck" and "Drm sucks" and Ubisoft Devs/games/suits/patch delays/patches sucks posts, well, surely we may be entitled to a reprieve of that sort of posting? Certainly once in a while at least?
A gentle question that one, that's all.
What is achieved by repeating continuously: DRM/Ubisoft/Delay in patch is crap/Devs are at fault posts?
What is achieved by, in some cases openly hijacking a thread?
What is achieved by not addressing the thread title?
Not a great deal, let me assure you.
I do sometimes pity the O.P.'s.....
I'm just responding, not criticising.

Originally Posted by jdkbph

Umm... guys, we're all glad that some of you are actually enjoying SH5. No meed to jump on every post that decries the flaws and short comings of a game, in many ways so obviously inferior to it's predecessor.

People buy and play games like these with different expectations. Just because your expectations don't align with the OP doesn't make him wrong, nor does it make you stupid for enjoying something he feels is crap.

IMHO, you pays your money, you deserves your say... even if it's been said a thousand times already by someone else.

JD

Yes, I agree everyone deserves their say. However is there really any need to create a new thread every time someone wants to whine about it and declare to the world they no longer want to play? There are plenty of threads discussing the shortcomings and the good things about SHV - Why not add to one of those? Instead of trolling the forum with pointless attention seeking whiny threads!

@danizzz - Please don't take offence, that really isn't my intention. I only think that there is a better place and way to express your dissatisfaction. I for one think that there has been far too much negativity in this forum the last week, things have gotten far too tense and unpleasant in places and we really need to pull together as a community now and move on and get back to what we're here for - Subsimming! I think there's a subsim for everyone, if you don't like SHV, 3&4 are also extremely good. I still play SHIII with GWX almost daily, as well as SHV and enjoy them both for their own merits. Infact if I'm honest, I've had more problems with SHIII this last week that its newer, supposedly less stable successor!

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by danizzz

I finally gave up on sh5, and i reinstalled the great SH3 with GWX.

After a couple of patrols i found myself searching for my copy of Das boot dvd......That game was awesome. It really puts you in a real u-boat during the the IIWW, cant believe that they destroyed it with SH5.

Its like to have two totally different games....

You and a lot of other people around here. Except for better graphics, I would say that SH5 is a major failure. No surprise really, knowing how Ubisoft has an established reputation for releasing half-finished, buggy games. Not to even mention their horrible customer communication and support. I don't think the company has much life left in it.

[SabreHawk]

Wanna feed somebody? Feed this guy before he looses all his fingers.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by jdkbph

Umm... guys, we're all glad that some of you are actually enjoying SH5. No meed to jump on every post that decries the flaws and short comings of a game, in many ways so obviously inferior to it's predecessor.

It would have been interesting to read what the OP did not like about the game, but there was no mention of what the OP did not like or what flaws he thought the game had. It has been my experience of these forums that specific complaints about the game are met with helpful suggestions about what mods the OP could use in order to get more enjoyment out of the game or to address the specific problems. The people here are very helpful, but you have to want to be helped and give a bit of information.

Originally Posted by jdkbph

IMHO, you pays your money, you deserves your say... even if it's been said a thousand times already by someone else.

JD

Does that count for everyone equally? If it does, then there's also nothing wrong with continously jumping on threads giving the same responses over and over either. Personally, I disagree with that philosphy. Having the same discussion over and over again doesn't get anyone anywhere and it doesn't make for an interesting discussion either.

[michaelws]

I find merit in both the complaints and the praises of the game, no matter how redundant. The redundancy shows numbers and or levels of passion on both sides of an issue. Any comment is giving credit to what this simulation is all about and how much it means to those who have purchased, played and modded the software over the years.

The only wasted comments are when we digress and begin labeling each other. We are all Silent Hunter fans. We all want the most from our time with this sim. Divisiveness will not further any of us. Love it or hate it, post it...in any non-offensive way. This is a genre with great potential and hopefully all constructive arguments or debates will only help push this game to ever greater heights.

[codmander]

I have to diss on sh5 also only by hear..say because I dont own it but someday when its $2.99 I may support ubi for an unfinished game

[jdkbph]

Originally Posted by michaelws

I find merit in both the complaints and the praises of the game, no matter how redundant. The redundancy shows numbers and or levels of passion on both sides of an issue.

Bingo. I'm sure many see this practice as being similar to signing a petition. Yes, it's been said once (or a thousand times) but we all want to feel like our vote has been counted.

Personally, if I were a game developer or publisher, I would pay more attention to a problem or opinion voiced multiple times, in many places, by many different people, than I would if it were posted just once. I wouldn't (want to?) see the multitudes behind that one post all nodding their heads in agreement, and I could easily convince myself that the absence of multiple posts indicates the opinion is only that of one or a few disgruntled whiners.

JD

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Drifter

I don't think the company has much life left in it.

From the Ubisoft Investor Website...

For the first nine months of fiscal 2009-10, sales totaled €661 million

That equates to $878,303,306.42 USD for 9 months sales.

Yup... they are pretty well done.

JCC

[robbo180265]

Here's an idea.

Not too sure how many of you guys are members of Facebook, but there is an anti DRM group there

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=312298689495

It's not too active at the mo - but maybe you could join up with them - see what can be done.

You're all welcome to add me too, I'm there under my real name "Adin Roberts" Just make sure that you let me know your forum name here (not too keen on adding strangers)

Sorry for the hijack - but I thought it worth mentioning.

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by jdkbph

Bingo. I'm sure many see this practice as being similar to signing a petition. Yes, it's been said once (or a thousand times) but we all want to feel like our vote has been counted.

Personally, if I were a game developer or publisher, I would pay more attention to a problem or opinion voiced multiple times, in many places, by many different people, than I would if it were posted just once. I wouldn't (want to?) see the multitudes behind that one post all nodding their heads in agreement, and I could easily convince myself that the absence of multiple posts indicates the opinion is only that of one or a few disgruntled whiners.

JD

I can guaranatee you that if i was a Dev or Producer of a PC Game (yep, hypothesizing here, a lot of others do it too), then i would rather read all the hate/dislike mail in one unified, single and merged thread, rather than dislike mail plastered all over a forum.
The occurance of multiple posts does nothing to "persuade" a company to drop something or to fix something immediately.
When thinking about posting and being part of the dronous and so monotonous posting crowd who can't seem to come up with their own "creation" in a thread, and who can't be bothered to keep on-topic, letalone address the thread, well, then it becomes not a case of "everyone's entitled to their opinion" or "everyone has a right to have their say heard", but a case of "move on", "have some respect to your fellow members here" and maybe, just maybe it will take some of the friction and heat out of this forum, which has been occurring a little bit now.

[Drifter]

Originally Posted by John Channing

From the Ubisoft Investor Website...




That equates to $878,303,306.42 USD for 9 months sales.

Yup... they are pretty well done.

JCC

You are not telling the whole story, nor giving dates. Sales and profits are two different things. Any company can have high sales, and still operate at a loss.

UBISOFT® REPORTS FIRST-HALF 2009-10 RESULTS

Sales : €166 million

Current operating loss of €78 million, in line with guidance

http://www.ubisoftgroup.com/index.ph...Ykd4WldFazU%3D

Among the comprehensive list of numbers in Ubisoft's first half fiscal 2009-10 report, measuring performance in April through September 2009, one figure stands out: the French company's reported €52,027,000 in not-profit. That's right, Ubisoft's profits are down by more than €70 million (over $100 million) from the same period last year to rest firmly in the red.

From a profitable first half of fiscal 2008-09 of roughly €24 million to just over €52 million in losses in the first half of fiscal 2009-10, Ubisoft's profits have experienced a year-over-year change of -316.53 percent.

http://www.joystiq.com/2009/11/30/ub...ide-falling-r/

Yup... they are pretty well done.

[Capt_Sluggo]

Originally Posted by Drifter

Sales and profits are two different things.

Ay caramba!

Bail-out! Where's Ubi's BAIL-OUT? Taxpayers, please step forward!