Oh, my!!!!

[Torvald Von Mansee]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/dailybeast/2...carynewgoppoll

[Ducimus]

Heh..

think he's

and

believe that

etc etc blah blah.

I'm not an Obama fan, nor a fan of either party, but ya know... the republican party needs to get off the rhetorical bandwagon, get a f____load more objective, and a lot less emotional. Seems like all i hear coming out of them is just more of the same old emtionally charged rhetoric that sounds like it came out of the cold war or the McCarthy era.

[August]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Heh.. and

etc etc blah blah.

I'm not an Obama fan, nor a fan of either party, but ya know... the republican party needs to get off the rhetorical bandwagon, get a f____load more objective, and a lot less emotional. Seems like all i hear coming out of them is just more of the same old emtionally charged rhetoric that sounds like it came out of the cold war or the McCarthy era.

C'mon now you don't actually believe that "report" do you?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by August

C'mon now you don't actually believe that "report" do you?

Maybe you should read up on them before saying silly things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_poll

[Fr8monkey]

This goes along with the Reps. using fear to advance their party; obviously because they have nothing to offer...

[August]

Originally Posted by Torvald Von Mansee

Maybe you should read up on them before saying silly things:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_poll

Dude I know what a Harris poll is. The link you posted in the OP is from some wierd Yahoo website calling itself "The Daily Beast". That's like asking me to take a National Enquirer article seriously.

BTW I love the comments. I suppose you didn't read those eh?

[CaptainHaplo]

Quotes are taken from the OP link:

"We are playing with dynamite by demonizing our president and dividing the United States in the process."

Odd - that didn't seem to stop those who were politically opposed to George Bush from demonizing him now did it? *For the record -I didn't care for GWB either* The "satires" calling for Bush to be assassinated were somehow "funny", but the same calls for it against Obama are somehow "scary".

The reality is that the such things are wrong on both sides... but of course calling down "your side" (whichever side that may be) doesn't seem to happen.

"These numbers all come from a brand-new Harris poll, inspired in part by my new book WingNuts" Gee - a poll inspired by a book that makes it clear that it has an bias...... and somehow the results are "scary"? Polls manipulate based on the questions they ask, and when they are founded or inspired from a specific angle - they reflect the VIEWS of that angle. Thankfully it didn't call itself objective, though it was presented by the OP as such....

The author (and I use that term loosely) hosts a segment on CNN called "Wingnut of the Week" - but he describes himself as a "moderate centrists" - whatever that is.

It is nothing new for Presidents to be threatened. Happened all the time with GWB - but the media - for ideoligical reasons - rarely reported it. However, due to the support they have for this administration, any issue is made more visible.

Doubt that there were people who advovated for GWB to be killed?

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621#photos (Photos showing numerous people advocating killing the sitting president)

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/nation/stories/DN-peace_12nat.ART.State.Edition1.43b8067.html (Irish Nobel Peace winner gets standing ovation after stating she wanted to kill GWB)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2009/jun/12/george-bush-assassination-videogame-virtual-jihadi (Game depicts Bush assassination)

I could go on and on - but the facts speak for themselves. Politically - death threats are made. They are wrong regardless of ideology. November is when the political cost will be paid. But the OP "article" and "poll" need to be seen for what they are. A political hack job - by a political hack.

[Fr8monkey]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

... but of course calling down "your side" (whichever side that may be) doesn't seem to happen.

I never liked Bush, but I never subscribed to killing him. I think the point is the 'right' when Bush was in office called these nutjubs terrorists. Now that they are in the minority, why aren't they (the Right) criticizing their people doing it? Are the Right "wingnuts" now patriots, or still terrorists?

Otherwise, I agree with you.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by August

That's like asking me to take a National Enquirer article seriously.

No, I'm asking you to take a Harris poll seriously.

As for The Daily Beast:

"The Daily Beast contributors include: Christopher Buckley, Scott Turow, Mark McKinnon, Douglas Rushkoff, Matthew Yglesias, Meghan McCain, Reihan Salam, Tony Blair, Condoleezza Rice, Gerald Posner, Simon Schama, Eric Alterman, Reza Aslan, and others including Brown herself."

Yep. A real fly-by-night and partisan operation, there. Named after a fictional newspaper from an Evelyn Waugh novel. Truly low brow.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

A political hack job - by a political hack.

But enough about your post and yourself.

[Skybird]

A socialist Muslim anti-Christ. They forgot to also believe that he is gay and that his wife has aborted several times.

They forgot to also believe that he is gay and that his wife has aborted several times.

That is dealt with further in the poll, though its .......
Obama will make it mandatory that your children are gay nazi mexican communist muslim abortionists on welfare.

[Bubblehead1980]

Okay here it goes...

1)Obama is a Muslim?


Obama is not a practicing Muslim.However, his father was muslim, his step father was muslim, he was lived in Indonesia for four years as a child and attended Islamic schools.Facts, not opinions.Now, given Obama's actions such as not supporting Israel as American always has, bowing to a Saudi King when visiting, always trying to "reach out" and apologizing for the US(no need to) Very clear that he is sympathetic to Muslims which is contrary to the intrests of the United States.This is tantamount to having a President in say WW II with Japanese sympathies.What I just said is not racist, but exposing a very human flaw that majority of people on this earth can not overcome enough to be objective.Someone could argue obama is one of those people but his actions have shown he is not.
True he did send more troops to Afghanistan but his attitude towards Iran is not exactly tough.True he is not a Muslim, but he is too close for comfort and his ability to be objective does not exist.

2)Obama is racist?

First some quotes from his book Dreams of My Father, which Obama authored in 1995 before he ever dreamed he would be President.Obama needed the money and told how he truly felt.This is a far cry from his book "The Audacity of Hope" which was basically a campaign add.Bottom line, told the truth in the first one, the second was bs.

“I ceased to advertise my mother's race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”

“I learned to slip back and forth between my black and white worlds,” he wrote in “Dreams.” “One of those tricks I had learned: People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied; they were relieved — such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.”

Although Obama spent portions of his youth living with his white grandfather and Indonesian stepfather, he vowed that he would “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn't speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa, that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself, the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.” Hmm so he admired Malcolm X and DuBois, both were racist people.

While in college, Obama disapproved of what he called other “half-breeds” who gravitated toward whites instead of blacks.After college, he once fell in love with a white woman, only to push her away when he concluded he would have to assimilate into her world, not the other way around. He later married a black woman.

“There were enough of us on campus to constitute a tribe, and when it came to hanging out many of us chose to function like a tribe, staying close together, traveling in packs,” he wrote. “It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.”


“To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists.” So he thinks you are a sellout if you are friends with white people so he chose trash like Marxists and feminists.

Just a few more, to prove the point....

After graduating from college, Obama eventually went to Chicago to interview for a job as a community organizer and his racial attitudes came into play as he sized up the man who would become his boss.
“There was something about him that made me wary,” Obama wrote. “A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”

After making his first visit to Kenya, he wrote of being disappointed to learn that his grandfather had been a servant to rich whites people.
Obama wrote in “Dreams” that the revelation caused “ugly words to flash across my mind. Uncle Tom. Collaborator. House ******.”

There is more but these are the ones I found
So is obama racist? Abso****nlutely my friends.Black Panther racist? No, but definitely has disdain for whites and white culture.Oh lets not forget the racist witch he nominated for the Supreme Court of the United States, with her "wise latina" comment and racist decision in the Connecticut Firefighters case before she was on supreme court.Oh yea, the incident in which Obama said a white cop(well said the whole department) acted stupidly before he knew all the details(admitted this) but said they acted in such a manner simply because it was his friend and his friend is black as well.Ladies and Gentlemen of the Jury, I just proved my case beyond a reasonable doubt with a lifelong pattern of behavior that shows this man is a racist, end of story.


3)Obama was not born in the US? Pretty sure this is not true BUT some things involving his birth and backround are highly suspect.I usually do not touch this issue much, better ones to argue about so check out this article, very interesting.http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=3255


4) Obama is a socialist?

These accusations began to fly during campaign and although there was evidence I gave him the benefit of the doubt after he was elected(did not vote for him though) Well after over one year, I am pretty sure he is a socialist and my gut feeling was correct.This man's actions have proven it...massive government takeovers in various places including auto industry, healthcare, tyrannical regulations, high taxes and even more to come if he has his way.Obama's lifelong association with socialist and communist scum is also clear evidence.Obama's childhood mentor who became a father figure, Frank Marshall Davis, was a hardcore Communist.Obama admitted in his 2004 Senate race to attending "socialist conferences" and "coming into contact with" Marxist Literature, this was admitted after his opponent Alan Keyes made the charges of socialist and obama attempted to downplay his connections as he did in 2008 with Reverend Wright, Ayers etc etc etc etc.

Lets not forget the quote I used about about him choosing his friends carefully and seeking out the marxists etc My honest memoirs are a wonderful thing

4)Obama is "doing things Hitler did" ?

Well Obama is not Hitler but there are things that are too close for comfort.First, they both rose to power in bad times.The Weimar Republic in Germany was not doing well, Hitler was their strongman, their hope for change.Obama ran on basically the same platform.Things were not going well, Hitler blamed the jews and inspired anger towards them.Obama has blamed the rich anyone who is doing well compared to many, inspiring tension and some class warfare mentality.Hitler was racist, so is Obama, see the many examples above.Hitler wanted universal healthcare for all, so does Obama.Hitler exploited crisis as does and will Obama.Now, Obama does not deserve the Adolf tag yet but can see how many see the similarities, kind of scary how many there are.

5)Some polled say Obama may be the antichrist.

Well I don't believe in that crap that's just religious brainwashing at work there, not legi argument.

6)Finally, something I am sick of is Liberals trying to say most Conservatives are against Obama and his agenda because they lack college education.This is one of the most inaccurate myths.I will firsy use myself as an example.I have a Bachelors degree,, made A's in EVERY class in college except for two or three, made B's.I plan to attnd Law School this fall(not sure which one yet but have been accepted to some good ones and waiting on others) I scored very high on the LSAT, which is high.Not bragging but simply pointing out that I am a Conservative and have plenty of education as do plenty of others out there.Sure there are Conservatives who lack formal education but many I have met can tell you more about the Constitution than some Pre-Law students.I would put the "uneducated" Conservative against the uneducated liberal anyday, you will see a world of different.Most uneducated liberals are people in low income brackets, frequently noticed they are the scruffy, long hair types who think they should make six figures for waiting tables their entire life and everything should be free, free free.Typical Conservative lacking formal education is usually a hard working person who may be in low income bracket but who does not have excuses or want handouts, simply wants to be free and enjoy their life and pursue opportunities.There are many, many educated conservatives out there that believe the things about Obama mentioned in the poll that sparked this novel I have authored this morning(lol) This is a smear tactic that shows the arrogance of Liberals and esp Libs in the media.

I spent my time writing this to try and inform, I know some will just blow it off but hope others will read it and do some research themselves, read his books (read dreams first) so can see the difference.Read some history remove yourself emotionally from arguments such as healthcare, see the BIG PICTURE.

I firmly believe America was drunk on something in November 2008 when this guy was elected.Perhaps after so much crisis and trouble, this new guy running as a centrist(despite being the most Liberal Senator in the Senate) got many American's attention and managed to get elected despite his obvious faults, which are major ones.Could compare this to a young guy who gets a little too drunk and although he would normally never hook up with a fat chick, had a one night stand and regretted it, esp after he found out he had the clap, but luckily he can vow to never do it again and get meds for the clap.Same thing for us, America was "that guy" in November 2008 and Obama was the fat chick with the clap, we learned and will get rid of the clap in 2012

Well time to get a little rest before work.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Fr8monkey

I never liked Bush, but I never subscribed to killing him. I think the point is the 'right' when Bush was in office called these nutjubs terrorists. Now that they are in the minority, why aren't they (the Right) criticizing their people doing it? Are the Right "wingnuts" now patriots, or still terrorists?

Otherwise, I agree with you.

Well Fr8monkey - I have been told that I if politics were an airplane, I would have 2 right wings..... Yet I stated, twice, that regardless of the "side" its done to or by, its wrong. But when you note that the media isn't reporting the different events between the presidents fairly, what makes you think they will report on the "fallout" from those they ideologically oppose fairly? Bit naive to think that they would, isn't it. There are those who do condemn such calls, but to report that wouldn't present the picture the liberal media wants - which is to paint anyone opposed to the agenda of the left as a "wingnut".

Torvald - that is the best response you can do? Can't discuss the facts of BOTH sides of the issue, so you have to turn it into a personal slam by calling me a hack job? I thought better of you than that. Pity.

[August]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Torvald - that is the best response you can do? Can't discuss the facts of BOTH sides of the issue, so you have to turn it into a personal slam by calling me a hack job? I thought better of you than that. Pity.

I'd say that's pretty typical of the Torvald posts that i've read so far.