EA to implement Ubi style DRM system

Seriously, you talk about a backlash as if the subsim.com community is a representable portion all submarine gamers.

Common mistake, forums are areas where people complain and act is if they matter because other people just as whiny and pathetic as them are there to give them a good old "Right on mate". Electronic Preaching to the Choir. In reality people will still buy EA and Ubisoft games, i will continue to buy them, and online DRM will likely continue into the future.

Dont like it? Play sh3 and piss off from this forum. There is a perfectly good Sh3 section you can put all your complaints into so we dont need to deal with them. Thanks.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by MattDizzle

whiny and pathetic

And there you go again, just posting your opinion. Should people not attack you for it again?

[theluckyone17]

... and back on topic...

DRM won't kill the gaming industry. Even if the major producers stop producing for PC gaming, they won't kill off the industry. I bet a lot of little independent shops will start up and fill in the empty space.

There's open source, too.

Myself, I won't let DRM bother me. I've got enough older games to keep me satisfied for a while. When I grow bored of them, maybe I'll put some time into helping out with Danger from the Deep.

On the other hand, maybe I'll get back into my hobbies... the outdoor ones. The weather's beautiful

[Iron Budokan]

Originally Posted by Gammelpreusse

Man, I am glad my fascination for games is not anymore what it used to be.
Appears it's time to concentrate on more important things in life.

^^This.

[Cavell]

Originally Posted by Yak

What backlash?

This.

Their "backlash" has mostly been in the form of people complaining about the draconian, anti-consumer DRM, yet still going out and buying the game(s). Once they have your money, they couldn't care less about your opinion - unless it affects your future decision to buy their products. Which, they're discovering, it won't. People will just do the same thing all over again - complain about the DRM, yet find themselves unable to resist the lure of the product. And buy the whole, "Yeah, our servers were down, and it was due to rampaging pirates!" schtick.

EA will be a more interesting case study than Ubisoft for this stuff, though. They publish a much broader variety of games on the PC, and if they start seeing sales hits in big-ticket areas - which I doubt they will for the reason stated above - then they might consider yanking it. Ubi can explain away AC2 sales tanking as a fluke, and SH5 as a niche genre that no longer needs to be pursued, if those sales are in fact bad; if EA PC sales went south on series like Command and Conquer, Medal of Honor, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, or especially The Sims, you might see them reconsider.

Edit: Frankly, the aspect of this that really dejects me the most is the one that opponents of the anti-consumer DRM mention fairly frequently but that the proponents have no answer for, namely that when I'm in the sandbox, I won't have the required 'net connection to play any of the games that ship with it. They're really screwing a group of folks who don't deserve to be screwed with this crap.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

And there you go again, just posting your opinion. Should people not attack you for it again?

Matt may be excessive in his choice of words, but I have seen many posts by anti-DRM zealots that used language just as inflammatory.


There seems to be a double standard here. Posters against DRM can post anything they want and get away with it. Posters with a contrary opinion get attacked personally. Is that the kind of forum we want?

[DMB3428]

Originally Posted by goldorak

You cannot steal software unless you're picking the boxed product from the retail shelf without paying. To steal is to deprive physically something from someone. Copying a software without authorization is called copyright infrigement. Just saying eh, words are important.

news to me, the end result is the same!

[Sonarman]

Originally Posted by janh

So if Ubisoft Romania, just as an example, would drop subsimulation development, then someone else will take it over -- for sure..

I'm not so sure... why bother when you can make a cute puppy dog game in a third of the time and sell fifty times more copies. SHIII took a 30 man strong dev team 3 years to put together, only companies like EA & Ubi can afford to do that. The only hope would be indie developers like Norm & Jim at Storm Eagle Jutland and Distand Guns are obvious labors of love and very well crafted but are still a long way graphically and gameplay wise from the Silent Hunter series.

[NefariousKoel]

Originally Posted by janh

Why does everyone think the PC game industry would ever die? Some companies may be bought, go bankrupt or disappear. But as long as there is demand, somebody will jump in the gap and produce something to satisfy that demand. Has always been like that, will always be that easy.

Yes, indeed.

If there's demand, and money to be made, someone will fill that hole.

I keep hearing about pirates or DRM becoming the end of PC gaming. Actually, I've been hearing "DOOM!" about PC gaming for at least a decade and it's all been complete bunk.

Console gaming will not kill PC gaming. What do you think those console games are made with? You can see just how little work it takes to market a game for both platforms, especially when some companies tend to blatantly cut control customization for the PC version. The games are already made ON a PC so it's a no-brainer other than how totalitarian they wanna be with DRM.

The only supposedly "bad" end for PC gaming that can come of this is that these DRM-happy big companies lose most of their pc gaming customer base and start caring even less about the last few of their customers. Smaller companies can pick up the slack right where they left off.. with more consideration for the customers and quality control as an added bonus.

[NefariousKoel]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Matt may be excessive in his choice of words, but I have seen many posts by anti-DRM zealots that used language just as inflammatory.


There seems to be a double standard here. Posters against DRM can post anything they want and get away with it. Posters with a contrary opinion get attacked personally. Is that the kind of forum we want?

As a rabid anti-DRM poster, I'm fine with Matt saying what he thinks. Or anyone for that matter.

I also don't think anyone should be crying when confronted with a different opinion. Stating such a controversial stance with such.. clarity.. ,and demanding no debate in return, is just not how things happen.

[Nafod81]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Why is this in the SH5 forum? This is the SH5 forum, not the "DRM systems of various game companies" forum.

It is getting a bit tiring reading all the posts/threads about the DRM. The real shame is the bugs aren't gamebreaking especially with the mods. However I believe DRM + bugs = rants & raves.

We almost need a forum for members who own and actually play the game to discuss it without members who are peeved about the DRM chiming in whenever there is a hint of negativity.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by janh

Why does everyone think the PC game industry would ever die?

Walk into your local games or electronics shop lately? especially Gamestop or EB Games? I don't even bother anymore. Its all console, and a few token PC gams now.

Most brick and mortar stores are 80% console games now. The PC games are always on some back rack. It's feels like your walking into the XXX section in a video store.

If whats on the self is any indicator, PC games are indeed on their way out, and have been for some time.

INtersting thought is PC games is what has driven the technology in computing. If PC gaming draws down to an irrelevant level as to not be a driving force anymore, i wonder how this will effect other technology areas. From GPU',s to CPU's.

[Catfish]

Hello Mr. Dizzy or ...le, or Trenken ?

" ....Seriously, you talk about a backlash as if the subsim.com community is a representable portion all submarine gamers.
..."


You can read much more harsh critics about this kind of DRM on each and every other simulation site, not only submarine-wise .

But when it comes to submarine simulators i guess subsim.com is indeed not only a representable portion, but the statistically significant one.
I know you will not bother to answer as you never did, but guess what i don't bother either. Welcome to my ignore list.

Good luck with your pro-DRM crusade,
Catfish

[Cavell]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Walk into your local games or electronics shop lately? especially Gamestop or EB Games? I don't even bother anymore. Its all console, and a few token PC gams now.

Most brick and mortar stores are 80% console games now. The PC games are always on some back rack. It's feels like your walking into the XXX section in a video store.

If whats on the self is any indicator, PC games are indeed on their way out, and have been for some time.

INtersting thought is PC games is what has driven the technology in computing. If PC gaming draws down to an irrelevant level as to not be a driving force anymore, i wonder how this will effect other technology areas. From GPU',s to CPU's.

I'm not so sure I wouldn't attribute a lot of the brick-and-mortar inventory losses to digital distribution, though. I haven't bought a physical copy of a game in...oh, probably four years? Direct2Drive and Steam get all my business.

[Conrad von Kaiser]

I can't bring myself to just download a game. I like having the box and what passes for a manual now'a'days

Plus I'm a collectors edition snob for all the extra bits and baubles lol