Census done! - Page 2

Aramike · 03-16-10, 11:13 PM

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A census is hardly categorization, or a negative thing as you imply by your choice of words.

Say what?

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/index.html

The above link is all demographical information, CATEGORIZED by the census bureau. Said information is specifically used categorically for funding allocations. How a census is not categorization on a MASSIVE scale, much less simply not being categorization, is beyond me.

Furthermore, while personally I have no problem answering the questions in the census, I don't fault anyone who does. The US government is by no means entitled to all of the information the census is asking. Simply put, some people are more private than others. To ridicule them because of it is, equally simply put, ignorant.

03-17-10, 04:05 AM

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Nope.

a census is a great thing!

it decides how many representatives we get and how much government money gets spent on our area etc etc all that good stuff is great.

The census has the right - and repsected authority - to ENUMERATE PERSONS

not all of that other sh*t

Interesting, so how is the government supposed to decide what money is spent on what projects if its only information it can use to decide is the amount of people in the area?
I suppose they would have to come round again and conduct more population surveys in each area again covering each household for each project.

Torvald Von Mansee · 03-17-10, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

(golf clap) wow, what a rebel you are.

I am assuming that you posted this because you need some accolades for your heroic act of independence.

Now he knows how this guy felt!!

SteamWake · 03-17-10, 09:54 AM

Is it just me or does it seem like the form is focused on counting the hispanic community?

Buddahaid · 03-17-10, 11:38 AM

I also answered just two. That is all the information they have the authority to collect and the census form should make that clear. The rest is a government sanctioned phishing scheme.

GoldenRivet · 03-17-10, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

I also answered just two. That is all the information they have the authority to collect and the census form should make that clear. The rest is a government sanctioned phishing scheme.

interesting how the only question on the entire form which is highlighted in blue and surrounded by a border is "how many people live in this house?"

the rest is supplemental information

again... i dont honestly think a government raid is going to round up all the ________ people. (insert whatever race, religion, sexual preference, eye color, hair color, etc)

but the consititution is VERY clear on this issue... the census DOES not have the right to satisfy their curiosities by asking personal questions NO MATTER WHAT THE REASONING BEHIND IT MAY BE.

they only have authority to "enumerate persons".

@Tribesman...

to dole out cash for projects - that's ALL they need to know quite honestly.

the census was originally meant to enumerate the population to determine governmental representation.

NOT to determine how much government cheese to disperse.

please... feel free to answer every single question if thats what you wish. By all means.

I on the other hand will be adhering to the constitution... a document that i think our government has departed from by a WIDE margin over the past several decades.

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Originally Posted by SteamWake

Is it just me or does it seem like the form is focused on counting the hispanic community?

Yes.

the 2010 census was heavily loaded with a hispanic slant.

ok fine.

but why?

perhaps Hillary, Pelosi and BO want to know exactly what it will cost and how many voters they will gain by granting them all citizenship?

who really knows.

but always remember this when dealing with your government

TRUTH, IS ALWAYS STRANGER THAN FICTION

03-17-10, 02:53 PM

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@Tribesman...

to dole out cash for projects - that's ALL they need to know quite honestly.

Is it really?
So all a government needs to know before funding a big project like a highway is how many people live in the area.

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the census was originally meant to enumerate the population to determine governmental representation.

And originally it didn't really count a large proportion of some states populations as they were not really people. So clinging to an archaic intention from an old document doesn't make much sense in the modern world does it.

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I on the other hand will be adhering to the constitution... a document that i think our government has departed from by a WIDE margin over the past several decades.

Don't you mean over the past several centuries?

mookiemookie · 03-17-10, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kresge

Did you wear your foil hat and draw the curtains while you filled out the form?

Oh noez, Obama knows my birthday! He's going to come lock up all of us people born in May now!

Good lord. They've been asking your race since 1790. Why is it all of a sudden an issue now?

August · 03-17-10, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Why is it all of a sudden an issue now?

What makes you think it hasn't been an issue in the past?

GoldenRivet · 03-17-10, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Is it really?
So all a government needs to know before funding a big project like a highway is how many people live in the area.

Yes

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Don't you mean over the past several centuries?

How old do you think America is?

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Originally Posted by August

What makes you think it hasn't been an issue in the past?

exactly... this has been an issue for me since i filled out my first census.

sadly, i wasnt a subsim member at the time so how would anyone like Mookie know how i felt back then?

You know they have to put their spin on it "Why is this only NOW an issue?"

@ mookie... please explain

what does that mean??

what does NOW have to do with it?

whats different about NOW versus the last census?

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Oh noez, Obama knows my birthday! He's going to come lock up all of us people born in May now!

you apparently missed this . . .

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

again... i dont honestly think a government raid is going to round up all the ________ people. (insert whatever race, religion, sexual preference, eye color, hair color, etc)

please explain what Obama has to do with it and why should i be concerned about him knowing my birthday?

you make NO sense - and you miss my point by a country mile

03-17-10, 05:19 PM

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Yes

That speaks volumes about your lack of experience.

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How old do you think America is?

How many centuries roughly or how many years exactly?
Its already over a century since the federal census bureau was created, and that happened over a century after the constitution was written.
So that does raise the question for you to work out, can you ask someone who knows how many years make a century?

GoldenRivet · 03-17-10, 05:26 PM

You implied that the constitution had been abused for "several centuries"

seems like a long time considering the relatively young age of the document.

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

That speaks volumes about your lack of experience.

please... what more could they really need to know beyond how many people live in the area to use the road?

get real nowhere on the form does it ask if i own a car or how many.

your example is flawed

03-17-10, 06:33 PM

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You implied that the constitution had been abused for "several centuries"

seems like a long time considering the relatively young age of the document.

No, I implied the constitution has been departed from pretty much since it was written as is the natural course of such things, so the "several centuries" is spot on for a document that is several centuries old.
If you want an example of a constitution that has only been deviated from for a few decades then find a constitution that is only a few decades old

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please... what more could they really need to know beyond how many people live in the area to use the road?

Their ages, is it the only place they live ......

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get real nowhere on the form does it ask if i own a car or how many.

Thats because its on the other form.
You know the more detailed form where they get a smaller snapshot and then extrapolate that data onto the big picture they get from the 10 year census.

Platapus · 03-17-10, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

but the consititution is VERY clear on this issue... the census DOES not have the right to satisfy their curiosities by asking personal questions NO MATTER WHAT THE REASONING BEHIND IT MAY BE.

they only have authority to "enumerate persons".

May I suggest reading US Code Title 13, Chapter 1, subchapter I, Section 5

Entitled:Questionnaires, Number, Form, and Scope of Inquiries

The Census is governed by more than just the Constitution.

GoldenRivet · 03-17-10, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

US Code Title 13, Chapter 1, subchapter I, Section 5

useless dribble from a sprawling bureaucracy IMHO

I have elected to fill out the only part of the census required - and i'm receiving flack for it?

interesting.

03-17-10, 09:54 AM	#19
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Is it just me or does it seem like the form is focused on counting the hispanic community? __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

03-17-10, 11:38 AM	#20
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,330 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	I also answered just two. That is all the information they have the authority to collect and the census form should make that clear. The rest is a government sanctioned phishing scheme.