Never was so much hoped by so many, and delivered to so few!

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Mud

bloody hell, wanna hear my story ?


Mud

Sure

Yes indeed, if SHV is your life's greatest disappointment. You are a happy, happy, HAPPY man.

On a scale of disappointments in my life, SH5's problems rank about 0.1/10 for me. And I foolishly own two copies of the thing

Really, it's not a big deal. But it will take some work for this game to be remembered for its good features and improvements rather than failures.

[Coldcall]

Originally Posted by java`s revenge

Why is almost everybody talking about shiv???

My taste is still sh3 + GWX + all other mods is much much much
better than shiv.

When i look at the shv mods there are some mods deported from shiv.
Okay i am glad with it. But i do miss for example the great olc gui etc.
Where are all sh3 mod makers for sh5 ?

I think the modders will turn up for SH5, and in fact there are already some excellent small mods making redundant some of the worse in-your-face problems with SH5. Its also only been released for a couple weeks and those mega mods will take months to build.

My hunch is that this game will be heavily modded simply because it has a beautiful graphics engine as a platform. SH4 was not that much better than SH3 in graphics. IMO SH5 is a quantum leap in the graphics department.





Have a little patience :-)

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by java`s revenge

Where are all sh3 mod makers for sh5 ?

Scared off by the stupid DRM scheme.

[bond672]

its quite sad dont you think that the games have to be improved dramatically by the generous help of modders! i agree SH4 was a bag of nails before the modders got their claws into it and made it awesome, i cant say anything about SH3 as i never played it, but i have not heard many people complain about it.

who knows, maybe i am being too critical i can accept that, but if it takes modders to turn this into a half decent sim then its a waste of money, get rid of the anti-pirate thingy, sell it for half the price it is and let the modders do the rest.

for me this one will go back in the drawer until i see some better add-on's or mods
kind regards
bond

[Safe-Keeper]

Dear all,
After playing SH5 i can safely say i have never been so dissapointed in all my life! when i played SH4 i was a kid in a candy store, the gameplay was magical, i felt immersed in the sim. it was great just to stand on the bridge and watch the waves go by.

when i turn to SH5 what do we get? one boat! and the major difference i can tell from SH5 to 4 is the great ripple view from the water on the camera lense!

when you look at the MODS people have done for SH4 it surpases SH5 10000 to 1. the ability to walk through a cabin and ask someone how his wife and kids are is not a huge step up in quality. I am shocked, saddened and dissapointed with this sim. im sure i am not alone in this frustration but if there are people who are deciding to buy this sim, my honest answer would be get SH4 plus uboat missions, install op Monsun and its better than you will ever get with SH5.

the whole internet connection thing is a whole nother matter which i wont go into because its a waste of breath and finger typing.

thanks for reading
regards
Bond

Wow, and here I was thinking opinions on games were subjective and that one person couldn't speak for everyone.

I tried several times to get into SH4 and just couldn't. I think a large part of it was that I'm not really that interested in the Pacific Ocean T.O., but the UI was also obstructive in my eyes and I never got more than a few days or weeks into the single-player campaign.

[Bosje]

so, I'm reading all this stuff about the copy protection and I'm reading about the bugs which were to be expected

come on, you can't seriously expect a bug-free SH5, not after having seen the previous releases, and look what SH3/GWX/OLC's stuff now is. it's epic!
i have it running in the background right now, as a matter of fact. I'm happy to put the watch officer back onto the bridge every single time i surface. happy because apart from that, it's just right in every way i want it to be.

SH4 keeps pissing me off because of all the little things that don't work the way I want them to work. that's not saying it's broken, that's saying it isnt the game i want to play. even UBM and lurker's Opmon, which put me back in the atlantic under the pretty SH4 engine (yay!) don't float my boat because it's simply not the way i want it to be.

a lot of that is because SH3 determined my standards, so while a modded SH4 has loads and loads of excellent and realistic features, more so than SH3, it's still nowhere near as much fun. it's a matter of taste, you see

so now, after reading all sorts of crap about SH5, but also after watching stabiz' vids on youtube ....

[drtechno]

Originally Posted by Brewtality

Secondly, can't you whiners stick to one thread, let those of us who actually enjoy the game have a neat forum to visit and talk about our fun times with the game. As it is now, a wall of pointless whining posts are greeting you as you enter what used to be one of the neatest, cleanest and most pleasant gaming forum on the web.

You mean make fun OF the game, right? Or do you really mean have fun playing the game? Because the latter statement must mean that you really have your head buried in the ground ignoring all the bugs. This forum is litterred with them.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Why is it all I ever see nowadays is "When the modders get hold of it" or "When the mods come out"


Why should consumers have to finish making a game?

[Bosje]

partly because there would be no market for the game i want

if they made the game exactly the way i wanted it, they'd sell maybe 100 copies worldwide, so i need community enthousiasts to turn the game into what i would have liked it to be

not turn the game into what it should have been in the first place, because it wouldnt be developed in the first place

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Why should consumers have to finish making a game?

They shouldn't.
But this has somehow, slowly, become the norm with PC games, and gamers just accept it. And it's because they accept it and keep buying (even preordering!) these unfinished games, that the game companies will just keep doing it.
It's some kind of sick, twisted, circle.

[sav112]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Why should consumers have to finish making a game?

That’s what my main gripe is, that the developers have charged full price for a game that has major bugs and everyone feels it will take mods to make it user friendly with dials, better fog, better water off the deck and probably better Ai and much much more.

What they really needed to do was hire a team of Mod’s and give them a copy of the game that they thought was a releases candidate and came back a few months later and seen what they had done, tested it and then paid them a fair price. (call it
enhancement and fine tuning department)
I’m actually impressed there is a few mods already out for the horrific user interface and some and wave mod’s. I always feel sorry for there unpaid work even if it is rewarding to here the fans appreciate all they do.

I did play BF2 “PR Mod” and it was like a new game. As I said I get the best of both worlds SHV will be £5 in Tesco’s and there will be a few fantastic Mods out by the time i get rounds to buying a new rig and buying the game. But its not right this is the way the industry is working.

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Why is it all I ever see nowadays is "When the modders get hold of it" or "When the mods come out"


Why should consumers have to finish making a game?

It makes me kind of think "well why don't you get in and try your hand at modding it yourself, instead of expecting someone to do it for you." I've bumbled around with files enough to do my own little tweaks.

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by Bosje

partly because there would be no market for the game i want

if they made the game exactly the way i wanted it, they'd sell maybe 100 copies worldwide, so i need community enthousiasts to turn the game into what i would have liked it to be

not turn the game into what it should have been in the first place, because it wouldnt be developed in the first place

I see your point, but from what I see, the mods out right now are for pretty simple things that dont really affect realism, but instead clean up the interface and oversights.

[Bosje]

true

the main problem may be that we are all hugely spoiled by supermods for SH3 and 4, and we expect the new game to be at least as good, with all the new features on top

that's apparently a dumb expectation to have and we all bitch about it or we can shrug about it

i'm being so mild because i just remembered how much I loved SH2 back when i didnt even have internet, i never knew so much was wrong with it because i didnt know any better. same with SH3 vanilla.

after a few months having a great time with SH3, i went online and found this community here, and that's where i learned manual targetting, where i got the supermods going and where i learned what was wrong with the stock game

as a result, i hated SH4 when i first got that, because none of it was working exactly like i wanted it to. I'm simply trying to remind myself not to make that mistake again and enjoy everything which is actually great about SH5, when i do decide to buy it

[sav112]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

It makes me kind of think "well why don't you get in and try your hand at modding it yourself, instead of expecting someone to do it for you." I've bumbled around with files enough to do my own little tweaks.

Don’t think he expects anything but appreciates that it’s the hard working mod’s that eventually give us a game that we should really be getting out the box. Lets face it those ShIII mods are so far removed for the boxed release version.


Developer in my view spits out a half finished product and moves on due to the company wanting to make quick money and time restraints that are placed on them by themselves. And please for the love of god don’t hit us with “it’s a company its here to make Money” yeah I think we can appreciate that.