SUBSIM is dying - Page 2

Kapitan_Phillips · 03-09-10, 03:29 PM

Lets everybody calm down and enjoy a Jelly Baby, hmm?

MothBalls · 03-09-10, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitman

Would you enter Neal's house without his permission, walk in front of him and take a beer from the refrigerator while invoking your fundamental, constitutional rights?

I would. I'd even pimp slap em just for fun. Then after I finished pulling the two pounds of buckshot out of my ass, I'd offer him a beer as well.

@OP Freedom of speech is one thing, acting a fool is quite another. If anything Neal and the mods here are more lenient than you'll find anywhere else. Seriously, if you can't last in this forum, you need to just log off the Internet and take a good hard look at yourself.

krashkart · 03-09-10, 04:48 PM

I look at myself in the mirror every morning. Good thing the toilet is nearby.

Skybird · 03-09-10, 05:03 PM

FIREWALL · 03-09-10, 05:14 PM

And let the Holier than thou speak.

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antikristuseke · 03-09-10, 05:19 PM

Just to go with the childishness on display in the entire thread.

There is candy in the back of the van.

frau kaleun · 03-09-10, 05:24 PM

Oberon · 03-09-10, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapitan_Phillips

Lets everybody calm down and enjoy a Jelly Baby, hmm?

Sure you wouldn't like a banana? I like bananas, good source of potassium.

Leeks are good too!

Onkel Neal · 03-09-10, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Accer

Neal you should replace some of your immature forum admins for the greater good of this community. Seriously. I just had my third account deleted without legit reason. I did not encourage piracy nor did I post anything illegal or against forum rules. Free speech however seems to be an endangered species these days. I registered this last time only to say goodbye. I have been a supported for over 15 years. It's been fun participating, and especially when we contributed with feedback to East and his team during the development of Enigma. I was even quoted on the cover.

Subsim is a rather small and fragile community. The mess UBI caused is already demoralizing most if not all member, and the inappropriate behavior by some forum admins do not make things better. Because of this behavior (deleting accounts with no warning or explanation to why) I choose not to participate at all.

Good luck with everything. I hope to see subsim.com still active in a couple of years.
Regards / bratkorv / bratwurst / joogrr

How many times have we asked people not to post "I pirated SH5 to see if it would run on my computer, but if I like it I was going to buy it" ??

Too many. The rules are very clear, we don't want people posting casual remarks about how they are are pirating games. We don't want people informing the forum that they use cracks on their LEGAL games because there is no way to know if they are honest people trying to work around a PITA DRM, or they are lying and running a bootleg version of the game. To be fair, no one cares what you do on your PC in your parent's garage, but....

You cannot discuss it here.

It's on the signup agreement, it's on the new user welcome email, it's in the FAQ & Rules, and it's stickied in the Sticky: Note: Read before posting - you could be interested to know we have a few rules here thread here.

And if you think I am going to hand-hold every WOW-refugee and exchange 10 PMs about it... think again. I do not have time for that. And I don't get paid to spend my evenings doing it. So, after many warnings, if you cannot manage to keep yourself inside the rules, you could get nuked from orbit--username deleted, posts deleted, banned for life, just like it says in the rules that have been in place since 1999.

Sorry. You can come back as a new alias, but the rules stay the same. I would rather have a small forum of intelligent, thoughtful people than a massive forum of nutballs and drama queens fizzing at the mouth any day.

krashkart · 03-09-10, 05:42 PM

And there you have it. Common sense should dictate right from the start that certain things just should not be discussed on these kinds of forums, otherwise face the music and be brave about it. Discuss cracks and piracy on the undergrounds, not the more respectable outfits like Subsim.

CCIP · 03-10-10, 12:47 AM

I'm kind of amused at how some things never change. Grumpy people - with a point perhaps - who just don't get it, that's certainly one of those things.

I've been involved with quite a number of websites and have participated in administering some. Subsim's administration, if you ask me, is one of the most effective I have seen, largely because it's the right mix of common sense and community values on the one hand, and Neal's active 'my clubhouse' attitude on the other. In the end it works. It's a clubhouse built on respect, not written-in-stone rules, and if you want to challenge norms you have to respect the established way of doing things here. In the end, it's a submarine sim community, not a platform to make statements on politics of software. Let's keep that in perspective.

Otherwise "dying" is a gross exaggaration for a site that has just experienced problems due to demand for its community services just going through the roof. Anything but, sir.

Reece · 03-10-10, 01:01 AM

Dare I say anything,

gee I walk that thin line too often, Neal has had to pull me up a few times with PM's, I have been in the Brig once before but yes I must control my frustrations better, I think Neal will agree with that,

maybe you should come up with a new law Neal that if in the brig you can get out earlier by making a fair donation, maybe even keelhauled with a large donation, call them fines, then put them on probation, seems fair! the way things go here sometimes you could make a packet!

CCIP · 03-10-10, 01:08 AM

What's with all these proposals to get Neal to accept "special features" for users lately? Geez, just play fair and donate regularly - I don't think Subsim is desperate for money as long as people do so, and I don't think Neal is out to make a buck off it, either. I don't think any special priviliges like that are fair - let's keep the playing field level and not treat some transgressions more leniently than others - and avoid the brig in the first place

TarJak · 03-10-10, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I would rather have a small forum of intelligent, thoughtful people than a massive forum of nutballs and drama queens fizzing at the mouth any day.

Can some of us nutballs and drama queens still stay? Pleeeze?

Onkel Neal · 03-10-10, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

Dare I say anything,

gee I walk that thin line too often, Neal has had to pull me up a few times with PM's, I have been in the Brig once before but yes I must control my frustrations better, I think Neal will agree with that,

maybe you should come up with a new law Neal that if in the brig you can get out earlier by making a fair donation, maybe even keelhauled with a large donation, call them fines, then put them on probation, seems fair! the way things go here sometimes you could make a packet!

Haha, no, I better stay away from attaching monetary measures to punitive actions. I can see it now, a new motorcycle catches my eye and I put half the forum in the brig

03-09-10, 03:29 PM	#16
Kapitan_Phillips Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Swansea Posts: 3,903 Downloads: 204 Uploads: 0	Lets everybody calm down and enjoy a Jelly Baby, hmm? __________________ Well, here's another nice mess you've gotten me into.

03-09-10, 04:48 PM	#18
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	I look at myself in the mirror every morning. Good thing the toilet is nearby. __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

03-09-10, 05:03 PM	#19
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,618 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	__________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

03-09-10, 05:14 PM	#20
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	And let the Holier than thou speak. ... __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

03-09-10, 05:42 PM	#25
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	And there you have it. Common sense should dictate right from the start that certain things just should not be discussed on these kinds of forums, otherwise face the music and be brave about it. Discuss cracks and piracy on the undergrounds, not the more respectable outfits like Subsim. __________________ sent from my fingertips using a cheap keyboard

03-09-10, 05:19 PM	#21
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Just to go with the childishness on display in the entire thread. There is candy in the back of the van.

03-09-10, 05:24 PM	#22
frau kaleun Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Skyri--oh who are we kidding, I'm probably at Lowe's. Again. Posts: 12,706 Downloads: 168 Uploads: 0

03-10-10, 12:47 AM	#26
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	I'm kind of amused at how some things never change. Grumpy people - with a point perhaps - who just don't get it, that's certainly one of those things. I've been involved with quite a number of websites and have participated in administering some. Subsim's administration, if you ask me, is one of the most effective I have seen, largely because it's the right mix of common sense and community values on the one hand, and Neal's active 'my clubhouse' attitude on the other. In the end it works. It's a clubhouse built on respect, not written-in-stone rules, and if you want to challenge norms you have to respect the established way of doing things here. In the end, it's a submarine sim community, not a platform to make statements on politics of software. Let's keep that in perspective. Otherwise "dying" is a gross exaggaration for a site that has just experienced problems due to demand for its community services just going through the roof. Anything but, sir. __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)

03-10-10, 01:01 AM	#27
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 34,701 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	Dare I say anything, gee I walk that thin line too often, Neal has had to pull me up a few times with PM's, I have been in the Brig once before but yes I must control my frustrations better, I think Neal will agree with that, maybe you should come up with a new law Neal that if in the brig you can get out earlier by making a *fair* donation, maybe even keelhauled with a *large* donation, call them fines, then put them on probation, seems fair! the way things go here sometimes you could make a packet! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

03-10-10, 01:08 AM	#28
CCIP Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Waterloo, Canada Posts: 8,700 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 2	What's with all these proposals to get Neal to accept "special features" for users lately? Geez, just play fair and donate regularly - I don't think Subsim is desperate for money as long as people do so, and I don't think Neal is out to make a buck off it, either. I don't think any special priviliges like that are fair - let's keep the playing field level and not treat some transgressions more leniently than others - and avoid the brig in the first place __________________ There are only forty people in the world and five of them are hamburgers. -Don Van Vliet (aka Captain Beefheart)