Lost and Found

PaulH513 · 03-07-10, 10:53 PM

The one good thing that I can say about SH5 is the bonus disk that came with it. I will reserve judgment on the actual game until I can play it properly because I need to buy a new video card and power supply. Presently I have too much lag because of my current video card Nvidia GeForce 8400.

This video is a thought provoking documentary about the USS Lagarto that was sunk by a Japanese warship. Almost 60 years to the day after she entered eternal patrol she was found by divers and it gives clues as to what the brave men were trying to do. We all know it takes a rare breed of courageous men to volunteer to be a submariner and it makes me wonder how many of us who play this game could of and would have done the same as they did. Probably the same ratio, about 5%.

When you play this game and this doesn't work right and that needs to be changed, than try to remember those who gave their all so that we have the freedom to complain, the right to make choices and the privilege to speak our minds. I also think it would be all together fitting and proper to have a thread here on Subsim dedicated to the heroes of WW2 so that we can add video links and other such important information so as to keep their memory alive.

If you care to, join me in saluting all veterans and active duty personnel fighting for freedom where ever they may be.

For those of you who have not bought the game yet you can see the video here. http://thaiwreckdiver.com/lagarto.htm

SabreHawk · 03-26-10, 10:40 PM

I will certainly join you in that salute Paul, and these were excellent thoughts on this you have stated.

I too enjoyed the video, and thank UBI for it's inclusion with SH5. And yes indeed, these men were a rare breed. And lest we forget the sacrifice they made, the one's who never came home to our beloved country that they served and died for. And it was for us whom this sacrifice was for, so that we could live on in freedom.

As I once heard said, "They gave up all their tomorrows, so that we could have a today."

Jimbuna · 03-27-10, 07:11 AM

Very well put Paul.

God bless em all.

~SALUTE~

Gabucino · 03-27-10, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulH513

who gave their all so that we have the freedom to complain, the right to make choices and the privilege to speak our minds.

You do realize that distributing or owning Silent Hunter with a swastika inside will get you to jail right?

kraznyi_oktjabr · 03-27-10, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabucino

You do realize that distributing or owning Silent Hunter with a swastika inside will get you to jail right?

Not in all countries.

SabreHawk · 03-27-10, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabucino

You do realize that distributing or owning Silent Hunter with a swastika inside will get you to jail right?

Ok just what does this statement have to do with this thread?

PaulH513 · 03-27-10, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Gabucino

You do realize that distributing or owning Silent Hunter with a swastika inside will get you to jail right?

According to this article, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-dogs-fur.html the law would apply if you publicly display the swastika.

So unless you are playing Silent Hunter on a 52" LCD on your front yard singing "Niedersachsemarsch" with a fully loaded luger, I do not believe anything will happen to you.

It is not like the Gestapo TV police force their way into everyones home and demand to see what you are watching

If that were the case than they would have to build more jails just to put all the Neo-Nazi Skinheads in the big house !

When it comes to distributing the swastika they could start with those employed at Wikipedia for this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

As a side note:
Here in the USA the veterans groups like the VFW and the American Legion have been trying for years to make it a law not to desecrate the Amerian Flag to no avail. But our bleeding heart liberal politicians believe that it violates your freedom of speech.

I better stop now....I am starting to get a little wound up

VirtualVikingX · 03-27-10, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SabreHawk

Ok just what does this statement have to do with this thread?

+ 1

Gabby, please explain!

Buddahaid · 03-27-10, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by PaulH513

According to this article, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-dogs-fur.html the law would apply if you publicly display the swastika.

So unless you are playing Silent Hunter on a 52" LCD on your front yard singing "Niedersachsemarsch" with a fully loaded luger, I do not believe anything will happen to you.

It is not like the Gestapo TV police force their way into everyones home and demand to see what you are watching

If that were the case than they would have to build more jails just to put all the Neo-Nazi Skinheads in the big house !

When it comes to distributing the swastika they could start with those employed at Wikipedia for this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

As a side note:
Here in the USA the veterans groups like the VFW and the American Legion have been trying for years to make it a law not to desecrate the Amerian Flag to no avail. But our bleeding heart liberal politicians believe that it violates your freedom of speech.

I better stop now....I am starting to get a little wound up

Good for them as I haven't noticed the avid flag wavers being any smarter when it comes to "how" you respect the flag. There are rules you know, about where, when, and how the flag is displayed in public.

EDIT: I remember soon after 9/11 during a ball game where little flags had been handed out for the "God Bless America" singing, finded hundreds of those flags all over the ground with the rest of the garbage! The people are just clueless now.

gmccabe01 · 03-27-10, 10:44 AM

Yes lets honour the memory of all the brave souls who fought in all wars
no matter what nationalty.
Lets not say for freedom,liberty,justice as those words mean different
things to different people

Gabucino · 03-27-10, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SabreHawk

Ok just what does this statement have to do with this thread?

Easy. The OP expressed how he wishes allied forces to be remembered as the bringers of freedom.

Well, here in the Axis countries (Hungary to be precise), the allied armies/airforce did not bring any of the aforementioned freedom, but instead unleashed previously unknown destruction, misery, mass murders, communist governments, terrorist state police.

History is codified by law even nowadays. Even the UK has a law that war crimes could only have been commited by Germany.

I have no problem with respecting worthy opponents, but freedom?.. We have far less of it since the end of World War 2.

SabreHawk · 03-27-10, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabucino

Easy. The OP expressed how he wishes allied forces to be remembered as the bringers of freedom.

Well, here in the Axis countries (Hungary to be precise), the allied armies/airforce did not bring any of the aforementioned freedom, but instead unleashed previously unknown destruction, misery, mass murders, communist governments, terrorist state police.

History is codified by law even nowadays. Even the UK has a law that war crimes could only have been commited by Germany.

I have no problem with respecting worthy opponents, but freedom?.. We have far less of it since the end of World War 2.

Whatever...........

Nisgeis · 03-27-10, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gabucino

Easy. The OP expressed how he wishes allied forces to be remembered as the bringers of freedom.

Well, here in the Axis countries (Hungary to be precise), the allied armies/airforce did not bring any of the aforementioned freedom, but instead unleashed previously unknown destruction, misery, mass murders, communist governments, terrorist state police.

History is codified by law even nowadays. Even the UK has a law that war crimes could only have been commited by Germany.

I have no problem with respecting worthy opponents, but freedom?.. We have far less of it since the end of World War 2.

Alright, so going back to 'the truth' weren't there approx 550,000 Hungarian Jews murdered up to 1944? Exactly what level of 'previsously unknown misery, mass murder' etcetera was delivered by the allied forces? Because it must have had one hell of an impact to eclipse Hungary's contribution to the attempted extermination of the Jews? Unless you weren't counting the whole holocaust thing.

Gabucino · 03-27-10, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Alright, so going back to 'the truth' weren't there approx 550,000 Hungarian Jews murdered up to 1944?

"Up to"? If you knew even a little bit about history, you'd have used the word "from". Hungary was the last shelter of the askenazim.

I'm not even sure what do you want to accomplish by reciting holocaust laws here. I was referring to Hungary, not Israel.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 03-27-10, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nisgeis

Alright, so going back to 'the truth' weren't there approx 550,000 Hungarian Jews murdered up to 1944? Exactly what level of 'previsously unknown misery, mass murder' etcetera was delivered by the allied forces? Because it must have had one hell of an impact to eclipse Hungary's contribution to the attempted extermination of the Jews? Unless you weren't counting the whole holocaust thing.

I think he meant either allied air raids for example destruction of Dresden or ending up to be Soviet puppet state. Soviet Union was one of allied countries don't forget that.

EDIT: Great I'm repeating things allready well know. I really should go to sleep a little bit.

03-07-10, 10:53 PM	#1
PaulH513 Navy Dude Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 174 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	Lost and Found The one good thing that I can say about SH5 is the bonus disk that came with it. I will reserve judgment on the actual game until I can play it properly because I need to buy a new video card and power supply. Presently I have too much lag because of my current video card Nvidia GeForce 8400. This video is a thought provoking documentary about the USS Lagarto that was sunk by a Japanese warship. Almost 60 years to the day after she entered eternal patrol she was found by divers and it gives clues as to what the brave men were trying to do. We all know it takes a rare breed of courageous men to volunteer to be a submariner and it makes me wonder how many of us who play this game could of and would have done the same as they did. Probably the same ratio, about 5%. When you play this game and this doesn't work right and that needs to be changed, than try to remember those who gave their all so that we have the freedom to complain, the right to make choices and the privilege to speak our minds. I also think it would be all together fitting and proper to have a thread here on Subsim dedicated to the heroes of WW2 so that we can add video links and other such important information so as to keep their memory alive. If you care to, join me in saluting all veterans and active duty personnel fighting for freedom where ever they may be. For those of you who have not bought the game yet you can see the video here. http://thaiwreckdiver.com/lagarto.htm __________________ No Guts....No Glory

03-26-10, 10:40 PM	#2
SabreHawk Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Seattle, Wa. USA Posts: 530 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I will certainly join you in that salute Paul, and these were excellent thoughts on this you have stated. I too enjoyed the video, and thank UBI for it's inclusion with SH5. And yes indeed, these men were a rare breed. And lest we forget the sacrifice they made, the one's who never came home to our beloved country that they served and died for. And it was for us whom this sacrifice was for, so that we could live on in freedom. As I once heard said, "They gave up all their tomorrows, so that we could have a today." __________________ "Chance favors the prepared mind"

03-27-10, 07:11 AM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,473 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Very well put Paul. God bless em all. ~SALUTE~ __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

03-27-10, 10:44 AM	#10
gmccabe01 Seaman Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Cobh in Ireland Posts: 42 Downloads: 207 Uploads: 0	Yes lets honour the memory of all the brave souls who fought in all wars no matter what nationalty. Lets not say for freedom,liberty,justice as those words mean different things to different people