The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread - Page 88

Ships-R-Us · 02-17-10, 07:22 PM

I want to thank Neal for sharing this with us. Ubisoft is clearly stating that they are only trying to stay alive in the "pc gaming market financially, and have been forced to implement DRM. In short I support the DRM requirement.

If my money was on the line with reference to a major investment, I certainly would take all reasonable and necessary steps to insure my investment, and I believe likewise all members here share this same view.

Ubisoft is taking these measures only because they were forced to.

Steeltrap · 02-17-10, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ships-R-Us

I want to thank Neal for sharing this with us. Ubisoft is clearly stating that they are only trying to stay alive in the "pc gaming market, financially and have been forced to implement DRM. In short I support the DRM requirement.

If my money was on the line with reference to a major investment, I certainly would take all reasonable and necessary steps to insure my investment, and I believe likewise all members here share this same view.

Ubisoft is taking these measures only because they were forced to.

While I can see the point you are making, I offer a contrary point:

What happens to your business if you feel the only viable strategy is to implement measures your customers absolutely will not accept?

Seems to me you are acknowledging that you are unable to develop a strategy that allows you to remain viable, as a significant drop in sales due to your 'solution' means your chosen medicine is as bad, if not worse, than the disease.

[As an aside, I recommend you avoid statements such as I believe likewise all members here share this same view. People here never have the same view on anything; claiming otherwise is either naiive or arrogant.]

MasterCaine · 02-17-10, 07:29 PM

Thanks for posting that Ubi email exchange, Neal.

What they are claiming is total bs. This move to DRM and pay-as-you-play is mainly to kill-off the lifespan, resale of and exchange of pc games. Yes, it's that simple.

Sailor Steve · 02-17-10, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterCaine

This move to DRM and pay-as-you-play is mainly to kill-off the lifespan, resale of and exchange of pc games. Yes, it's that simple.

I'm not astute enough to figure out things like that. I never would have thought of it myself, but now that you mention that, it makes as much sense as anything else I've heard.

Méo · 02-17-10, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap

to implement measures your customers absolutely will not accept?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but DRM had already been used in other games before.

Did the average customer accepted it?

Ships-R-Us · 02-17-10, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Steeltrap

While I can see the point you are making, I offer a contrary point:

What happens to your business if you feel the only viable strategy is to implement measures your customers absolutely will not accept?

Seems to me you are acknowledging that you are unable to develop a strategy that allows you to remain viable, as a significant drop in sales due to your 'solution' means your chosen medicine is as bad, if not worse, than the disease.

I understand your viewpoint. However, the consumers that will not accept DRM simply will not be purchasing the game with DRM being only a minor reason. I believe there will be a large majority of Subsim that will never play SH5 for those reasons. However I''ll bet that SH5 will now be a financial success for Ubisoft.

Méo · 02-17-10, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterCaine

This move to DRM and pay-as-you-play is

Pay-as-you-play ...this is new to me, where was it confirmed?

MasterCaine · 02-17-10, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

Pay-as-you-play ...this is new to me, where was it confirmed?

As far as I know, it hasn't happened yet with Ubi, but many pc game publishers are now moving in that direction. DRM is just the first step. Online pay-as-you-play pc games are for the most part profitable.. at least for a while. Offline pc games are becoming less and less profitable. When today's pc game publishers see modders expanding the lifespan of their offline games into years, they see potential future sales lost- dollars being flushed down the toilet. Whether we like it or not, the future of gaming, movies, and music is moving online to pay-per-use.

Méo · 02-17-10, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterCaine

but many pc game publishers are now moving in that direction

Can you be more precise, give links and/or games that are currently being develop for ''pay-as-you-play''?

Brag · 02-17-10, 07:49 PM

For latest on DRM, check out The Press Blasts Ubi thread.
PC World link is on the first post

DRM works a lot worse than we had imagined

MasterCaine · 02-17-10, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

Can you be more precise, give links and/or games that are currently being develop for ''pay-as-you-play''?

I'm talking about online games that require customers to pay monthly fees.　That's where the money is at for PC game publishers now. Just look at the online World of Warcraft. I assume that due to it's extreme popularity, it's still quite profitable for the publishing company. Plus, many of these pc game publishers like to frequently release purchasable add-ons that open up new areas of the game.

Méo · 02-17-10, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MasterCaine

Just look at the online World of Warcraft

Many people here will tell you that there is no comparison to make with SH5 and World of Warcraft.

Besides if in those games you pay the same monthly fee, regardless to how many hours you spend playing it. So your ''pay-as-you-play'' is somewhat misleading, especially when it has never been confirmed on SH5.

So to recap, you say that what they are claiming is total bs.

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Originally Posted by MasterCaine

What they are claiming is total bs. This move to DRM and pay-as-you-play is mainly to kill-off the lifespan, resale of and exchange of pc games. Yes, it's that simple.

Be careful when you say that someone else claiming is total bs, because they could easily say that what you claim is total bs when you talk about ''pay-as-you-play'' in SH5.

MasterCaine · 02-17-10, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Méo

So to recap, you say that what they are claiming is total bs.

Be careful when you say that someone else claiming is total bs, because they could easily say that what you claim is total bs when you talk about ''pay-as-you-play'' in SH5.

Step off your condescending high horse for a second, fan boy. Don't attack me for using the terms pay-as-you-play and monthly subscription fees as the same thing. They are both pay to play.

Méo · 02-17-10, 08:24 PM

Ok, where did I attack you? quote?

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Originally Posted by MasterCaine

Step off your condescending high horse for a second, fan boy.

And this is not an attack?

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Fan boy, where do I say that I support DRM?

Just because I raise up some doubts, you assume that I support DRM?

I think most of us would come back anytime to the good old days of PC gaming.

This new direction with DRM is just not a big drama for me.

MasterCaine · 02-17-10, 08:28 PM

You pretty much made out that I am full of bs for calling Ubi on the pirating claim as a reason to justify their crap DRM scheme. Plus, maybe we each have our own idea of what pay-to-play-means.

And sorry for the fan boy remark. Let's not get into a squabble here, ok?

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02-17-10, 07:22 PM	#1306
Ships-R-Us Commander Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 452 Downloads: 134 Uploads: 0	I want to thank Neal for sharing this with us. Ubisoft is clearly stating that they are only trying to stay alive in the "pc gaming market financially, and have been forced to implement DRM. In short I support the DRM requirement. If my money was on the line with reference to a major investment, I certainly would take all reasonable and necessary steps to insure my investment, and I believe likewise all members here share this same view. Ubisoft is taking these measures only because they were forced to.

02-17-10, 07:29 PM	#1308
MasterCaine Seaman Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 35 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	Thanks for posting that Ubi email exchange, Neal. What they are claiming is total bs. This move to DRM and pay-as-you-play is mainly to kill-off the lifespan, resale of and exchange of pc games. Yes, it's that simple.

02-17-10, 08:28 PM	#1320
MasterCaine Seaman Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 35 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	You pretty much made out that I am full of bs for calling Ubi on the pirating claim as a reason to justify their crap DRM scheme. Plus, maybe we each have our own idea of what pay-to-play-means. And sorry for the fan boy remark. Let's not get into a squabble here, ok?