The gawd-almighty merged DRM in Silent Hunter V thread

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[GREY WOLF 3]

Trenken
It seems we are old boring farts' at 61 im not old boring fart maybe but if somebody said 2+2=4 lets check my maths you probally say its 5 stop please repeating yourself to every question its boring.Go get a life stop pissing everyone off.

[floundericiousWA]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Well, lets see how many people in the US had broadband by June 09?
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79,014,100 Internet broadband connections as of June/09, per ITU
compared to:

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227,719,000 Internet users as of Aug/09, 74.1% penetration, N-O.

Much obliged Thomen... hey, that minority of people who don't have broadband need to get with the program, seriously! I mean, like wow, how could they possibly not have broadband!?!?!

FWIW, I have FIOS and only had a problem for a few hours about twice in the last year... even so, this is a bone headed move by UBI. Again, as others have mentioned..the save online/play on any computer thing is actually an interesting concept...but why does my access to my singleplayer game require constant access to the UBI servers?

I'm thinking I'm about done feeding the troll.

His argument is "I've got mine, that's what I care about. If you're complaining, you suck because you're not as cool as me."

[floundericiousWA]

Originally Posted by Task Force

Hmm. wonder if the iphone version comes with DRM. or whatever the hell there calling it. lol

I wonder if the iPAD will end up with some cool deal where DRM is not necessary, so games and media can be used through it without the 2000000 layers of logins, monitors, security programs, more logins, etc.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by floundericiousWA

Much obliged Thomen... hey, that minority of people who don't have broadband need to get with the program, seriously! I mean, like wow, how could they possibly not have broadband!?!?!

FWIW, I have FIOS and only had a problem for a few hours about twice in the last year... even so, this is a bone headed move by UBI. Again, as others have mentioned..the save online/play on any computer thing is actually an interesting concept...but why does my access to my singleplayer game require constant access to the UBI servers?

I'm thinking I'm about done feeding the troll.

His argument is "I've got mine, that's what I care about. If you're complaining, you suck because you're not as cool as me."

You are most welcome.

The broadband coverage sucks donkey balls. I just need to move 10 miles further west, north or south and I am stuck on dial-up.. and I live 40 miles away from DC.

Funny thing? There are two major broadband hubs withhin 20 miles of here, but none of these services beyond a few miles outside the city limits.

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by floundericiousWA

I wonder if the iPAD will end up with some cool deal where DRM is not necessary, so games and media can be used through it without the 2000000 layers of logins, monitors, security programs, more logins, etc.

There are games for Mac?

/jk

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by jclasper

I notice how Trenken always avoids answering questions and continually defends DRM.

He brings up a good point, so I'll answer my own questions for you.

1. Define what DRM is for us all please.

Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

Digital Rights Management legal
(DRM) Any technology used to limit the use of software, music, movies or other digital data. This generally relies on some interaction between the media and the system that plays it. For example, video DVDs usually include a region code. If this does not match the player's region code, the player will refuse to play the disc.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

Computer games sometimes use DRM technologies to limit the number of systems the game can be installed on by requiring authentication with an online server. Most games with this restriction allow three or five installs, although some allow an installation to be 'recovered' when the game is uninstalled. This not only limits users who have more than three or five computers in their homes (seeing as the rights of the software developers allow them to limit the number of installations), but can also prove to be a problem if the user has to unexpectedly perform certain tasks like upgrading operating systems or reformatting the computer's hard drive, tasks which, depending on how the DRM is implemented, count a game's subsequent reinstall as a new installation, making the game potentially unusable after a certain period even it is only used on a single computer.

2. Define what an MMO is and what a simulation is.

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMOG) is a video game which is capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet, and feature at least one persistent world.

A simulation video game describes a diverse super-category of computer and video games, generally designed to closely simulate aspects of a real or fictional reality.

Let's take that a step further as it applies to this thread.

Vehicle simulations
A genre of video game where players experience driving a vehicle. This includes flight simulators, racing games, and games that involve controlling other vehicles like tanks, trains, or boats.

3. If having a computer die and losing data is a viable reason for online saves, should not windows/linux/mac OSX info be stored on a remote server as well?

If we all went this way we would never lose any of our data...oh except when the server crashes. Ask a lot of the members here about the great Subsim crash.

4. Do you know ALL the PC gamers in the world?

I would say that no you don't. You know your friends and colleagues which more than likely have similar tastes and interests to you, hence they're your friends. Therefore you can not speak for everyone.

5. Myself a former submariner, does that mean that soldiers and sailors on deployment should not have the ability to play games in their off time?

I'll leave this one for you still.

[jclasper]

You know he still wont reply but then again he knows its a waste of time because he cant defend his arguments lol

[melendir]

I hate the idea of repeated online authentication.
Why shouldn't one online activation be enough?

[BulSoldier]

Ive never understood the limited installs thing.I myself have (and probably many here) sh3 so many times and so almost everything on my pc.

But thats a bit offtopic.

Anyway it is clear that this (as far as it concerns us) drm thing is bad and limiting game experience software.

[Bungmiester]

This is very bad news indeed, I have used steam to play Empire Total War and have bought Rise of Flight and have found numourous problems with this on line conection crap, on the following points.
1, You cannot revert the game to previous patches, once a game has been patched you always have to play with the latest updated version of the game. This can screw up your game, as it did for some people playing Empire. Go look on the steam forums and you will find people who could run the game with no problems on patch 1.4 but when patch 1.5 was released totally porked there game. The only saving grace is that you can play the game OFFLINE.
2, Rise of Flight, this is a very nice game if ur into flight sims lovely graphics nice flight model, but is porked by erratic game behavior, due to needing a permanant on line connection, joystick profile getting corrupted, a bug where there servers time you out mid mission and crashes the game, to name but a few issues that people have been having, I do believe that in there next patch that are doing away with the permanant online connection.
So I for one will be giving SH5 a Wide Birth until they wake up and smell the coffee as they will be opening a real can of worms with this one, SO LONG UBI

[johan_d]

posted by steam-france... perhaps a steam version is comming soon.. so all problems solved.

[Bungmiester]

Yep just looked on my steam account trailers there, will be interesting to see what develops, if it goes to an offline option I will buy, otherwise no wayyyyyy

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by tater

DRM at some level? Fine.

Phoning home? That's even fine.

It doesn't need to be in constant touch.

BTW, the save games will only be useful assuming saved game files are good data to start with and don't break the game like they have in both recent SH games. Saving a corrupted file on the net helps no one.

I think of all the opinions expressed on this, yours most closely matches my own.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by floundericiousWA

Much obliged Thomen... hey, that minority of people who don't have broadband need to get with the program, seriously! I mean, like wow, how could they possibly not have broadband!?!?!

I have a friend who lives in Grantsville, Utah, Just thirty miles from Salt Lake City. Nobody has laid the cables out there, and any time he asks he's told it's just too expensive.

So, no broadband.