Getting a 'sinking' feeling about SH5

[karamazovnew]

Shake hands, make peace and go back to the bow torpedo room, the captain's there trying to Use Meo's special ability. Plus, UG you have a torpedo to load.

As a side note... god damn this SH5. I can't play SH3 and SH4 anymore I want the new one

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Steeltrap

Seems a few people might benefit from a cool shower and a break.

This plaqce is normally about the most reasonable forum I know. It would be a shame for people to start sqabbling.

Not pointing fingers or saying anyone is "right" or "wrong", simply suggesting everyone remember to show some respect, refrain from name-calling and, if not able to do those, then abstain for a while.

Be a shame if we have to get the moderators to motivate a little peace through the brig....

Cheers all.

Alright, alright, I should have retain myself and simply let it go.

[TDK1044]

I can't see how you can get a sinking feeling about a game based on a handful of screenshots and a couple of short promotional videos that show limited game detail and none of the options menu screens.

That statement is in no way intended to muzzle anyone who disagrees. I just believe that we should judge the game when it's actually released, and not judge it based on glimpses of the game probably released by Marketing and not by the Devs.

[Lord Justice]

Gentlemen thank you, if one possesses a double edged sword, then let it cut if need be, as long as it has the visable markings of mannerism, and respect, etched on to it. By your leave. P.S The torp, had no decent guidance, way of the mark dear fellow, now i know who my silent hunters are! My move

Originally Posted by TDK1044

I can't see how you can get a sinking feeling about a game based on a handful of screenshots and a couple of short promotional videos that show limited game detail and none of the options menu screens.

That statement is in no way intended to muzzle anyone who disagrees. I just believe that we should judge the game when it's actually released, and not judge it based on glimpses of the game probably released by Marketing and not by the Devs.

People can get a sinking feeling for exactly the same reasons they might be elated or anything in between. At this stage both points of view have exactly the same validity.

What information released to date allows us to make opinions based on whatever personal lens we view these sorts of things. Some are "glass half full" types and some are "glass half empty" types. I tend to take the pragmatic view that if either is true, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

All reasonably presented viewpoints are good, assault on those with whom you might disagree is not so good. Once the game has been released all this will be moot as discussion turns to the final results and some will crow in triumph while others wail in despair at a wasted purchase.

In the end though, it's just a computer game.

Good Hunting

[Adriatico]

I promised to keep away from SHV forum for two months... but you forced me to open my mouth just one more time:

Originally Posted by TDK1044

I can't see how you can get a sinking feeling about a game based on a handful of screenshots and a couple of short promotional videos that show limited game detail and none of the options menu screens.

That statement is in no way intended to muzzle anyone who disagrees. I just believe that we should judge the game when it's actually released, and not judge it based on glimpses of the game probably released by Marketing and not by the Devs.

What is it... that you can't see?
He get a feeling based on screenshots and promotional videos. So what is he supposed to get?
He never mentioned a final judgment.
These screenshots and videos are made to rise impressions and feelings - and have no other purpose... so it is the most logical thing in this world: if you release promotional video on web - to bare impressions and feelings

"...and none of the options menu screens."
Do you think that "menu screens" would propose to you:
- to move periscope from far right to central position ?
- to remove cartoonish white outline from pointed parts of interior ?
- ...etc

"just believe that we should judge the game when it's actually released"
Of course, we should... but when you get it on your hard disc - you can change zero (0)
This is a "last minute" desperate attempt to point out some features that we (final users) feel as wrong... provided that Devs care about it ?

"...probably released by Marketing and not by the Devs"
What difference does it make who has released them ?
Marketing is just presenting what Devs made...

If we should rise our impressions when the game is released... what is purpose of this SHV forum... opened months before release ?

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

I promised to keep away from SHV forum for two months... but you forced me to open my mouth just one more time:


What is it... that you can't see?
He get a feeling based on screenshots and promotional videos. So what is he supposed to get?
He never mentioned a final judgment.
These screenshots and videos are made to rise impressions and feelings - and have no other purpose... so it is the most logical thing in this world: if you release promotional video on web - to bare impressions and feelings

"...and none of the options menu screens."
Do you think that "menu screens" would propose to you:
- to move periscope from far right to central position ?
- to remove cartoonish white outline from pointed parts of interior ?
- ...etc

"just believe that we should judge the game when it's actually released"
Of course, we should... but when you get it on your hard disc - you can change zero (0)
This is a "last minute" desperate attempt to point out some features that we (final users) feel as wrong... provided that Devs care about it ?

"...probably released by Marketing and not by the Devs"
What difference does it make who has released them ?
Marketing is just presenting what Devs made...

If we should rise our impressions when the game is released... what is purpose of this SHV forum... opened months before release ?

Oh come sir, its not for the want of complaints thus far it is quite simply a question of, IS IT JUSTIFIED AT THIS STAGE to complain, can they be immplemented as now!! now now and after, so close to release?? thank you

[Jimbuna]

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

No kiddin.

Whew thats a lot of drama for an opinion thread.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Randomizer

People can get a sinking feeling for exactly the same reasons they might be elated or anything in between. At this stage both points of view have exactly the same validity.

What information released to date allows us to make opinions based on whatever personal lens we view these sorts of things. Some are "glass half full" types and some are "glass half empty" types. I tend to take the pragmatic view that if either is true, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.

Ok what is the reason why we could be ''elated''?

Well, this is simple because there is actually another u-boat sim in development!

If I go back in 2008 I was really not expecting a new u-boat sim for Q1 2010, were you?

Having u-boat sim in development is better than having nothing at all!!

So you see the fact that they are doing this sim (or game) and that they showed a certain link with this community is something we should be grateful in some way. (SH5 was firstly announced here almost one year before its official announcement, the lead designer assisted & conversed with members of this community during both subsim meetings 2008 & 2009)

SO AT LEAST IT'S ALIVE!!!

[Bilge_Rat]

not to sound like an old man, but there have been discussions like this going back to SH2. A few things are a given:

- Each release is an improvement over its predecessor;

- Each release has needed multiple patches and help from modders to turn it from a game into a decent simulation;

and it is also true that:

-immediately after it comes out, each game has been savaged as "a travesty", "a parody", "an insult to the community", "not even fit to be called arcade like", etc., etc....

so sit back, have a beer, take a deep breath and wait until the game comes out before making up your mind.

one final note, keep in mind that in both sh3 and sh4, Ubi gave the developpers a very short leash in terms of development time and features they could add and both those games have matured into fine simulations. I have no reason to expect otherwise from sh5.

[TDK1044]

Originally Posted by Adriatico

I promised to keep away from SHV forum for two months... but you forced me to open my mouth just one more time:


What is it... that you can't see?
He get a feeling based on screenshots and promotional videos. So what is he supposed to get?
He never mentioned a final judgment.
These screenshots and videos are made to rise impressions and feelings - and have no other purpose... so it is the most logical thing in this world: if you release promotional video on web - to bare impressions and feelings

"...and none of the options menu screens."
Do you think that "menu screens" would propose to you:
- to move periscope from far right to central position ?
- to remove cartoonish white outline from pointed parts of interior ?
- ...etc

"just believe that we should judge the game when it's actually released"
Of course, we should... but when you get it on your hard disc - you can change zero (0)
This is a "last minute" desperate attempt to point out some features that we (final users) feel as wrong... provided that Devs care about it ?

"...probably released by Marketing and not by the Devs"
What difference does it make who has released them ?
Marketing is just presenting what Devs made...

If we should rise our impressions when the game is released... what is purpose of this SHV forum... opened months before release ?

OK. Several points. Firstly, your statement "we (final users)". Understand that Ubisoft as a Publisher is not at all interested in pleasing this forum or others like it. We represent hard core simmers, and in terms of sales, if you put all of the SHV forums together you will get a figure of under ten percent of total sales of the product. Not only that, but the sales are guaranteed. Although there may be one or two 'ranting hold outs', the vast majority of people here will buy the game as soon as it is available and then hope that it can be modded to their liking during the year that follows. Ubisoft is well aware of this fact. They are not going to waste any time preaching to the choir.

Second point: It's important to understand that once a game is within two months of release, Marketing is running the show. The reason I made that distinction in my post relating to the released videos is because of the way that marketing guys think. What we would look for from a promotional video is one that depicts the game at a very high level of realism. To Marketing, that's the last thing they want. They want to pitch to people who may never have purchased a sub sim before. They want all the pretty, colorful pictures they can get in the video, and in SHV that means enabling all of the visual help screens and lowering the realism levels way down. That's why it's nonsense to assess promotional videos of the game as a hard core simmer when the videos are targeted at the casual gamer.

One contributor to this thread has Beta tested the game, and I will watch any further contribution from him with interest.

[Lord Justice]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

No kiddin.

Whew thats a lot of drama for an opinion thread.

lol i can confirm sir that i will hold firm on my opinions, as for real drama you seek, one should push on and aquaint friends in immersion immersion immersion thread there sir i believe you may gain some kind of favour, and indulge in trivial chit chat, oh and might i remind you sir, you perhaps will find it in this here forum, and not General Topics, all to which is scarcley saved by the title. good day.

[longam]

ALL THESE SUGGESTIONS AND NOT ENOUGH TIME ! ! !

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

one final note, keep in mind that in both sh3 and sh4, Ubi gave the developpers a very short leash in terms of development time

I'm not sure that's correct for SH3 - it was close to release date until the lack of dynamic campaign caused so much drama that they delayed the launch date by quite some time. Several months if I remember rightly. SH4 on the other hand was restricted in time and well, it did suffer from reviews saying that the game clearly was not finished, which never does sales figures any good. To be fair, those early reviews weren't wrong in their initial assesments.