Can we pick up ALL Survivors?!

[Hanomag]

Originally Posted by SilentAngel

War criminals!

Well ..my SH3Commander random fate was "captured in Venezuela in 2002, tried by the EJC (for war crimes- machinegunning survivors HMS Newcastle, 1942) and sentenced to life imprisonment. Subsequently dying of cancer in 2003."

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Well, if they cant implement picking up survivors, what about some way of signalling a rescue for them? I'm pretty sure U-Boats used to toss them cigarettes and food, and shoot a flare or something up into the air, or bring back a neutral merchant to pick them up.

[Kamikaze Krazy]

"There's a lot more to it than just pulling up beside a ship and clicking a "Rescue survivors" button. What are you going to do with them? Where are you going to offload them? What impact will they have on your patrol duties? The game would need to support answers to these questions as well, lest buyers complain of another half implemented feature" -JScones

I have thought about this and I agree with you.

What would you do with them? Offload them maybe at an Allied port, or like what Kapitan_Phillips just said:

"Well, if they cant implement picking up survivors, what about some way of signaling a rescue for them? I'm pretty sure U-Boats used to toss them cigarettes and food, and shoot a flare or something up into the air, or bring back a neutral merchant to pick them up."

As for survivors/POW's, it would be determined by what space is on your boat at that very moment. If you have all of your crew spaces in your crew management screen full, a full load of fish, and food boxes everywhere, then you might only be able to carry 5-10. On the other hand, if you have only two fish, five empty spaces in the crew management screen, and no food boxes piled high to the ceiling, then you could carry... say 30-40 survivors/POW's. There could also be a counter of how many there are on board like this: 14/30.

On top of all of this, if you pick up survivors/POW's, they could also be in the crew management screen (C.M.S.). For example, if you have an allied (Axis or otherwise) survivor, that person would have a blue ALLIED SURVIVOR stamped onto their portrait. If it is an enemy airman, there would be a red ENEMY AIRMAN stamped onto their portrait... or at least something similar to this. You can only move them to where there is an empty spot on the C.M.S.

How do you like those apples? Well, at least I think they are good ideas!

[Schultz]

If I remember from my history lessons,U-boat captains weren't allowed to take survivors (just if they were germans) or prisoners from the order of the fuhrer,because they were afraid about the Engima or the prisoners would sabotage the U-boat

[Subnuts]

Originally Posted by infernos

If I remember from my history lessons,U-boat captains weren't allowed to take survivors (just if they were germans) or prisoners from the order of the fuhrer,because they were afraid about the Engima or the prisoners would sabotage the U-boat

I think you need to punch your history teacher in the face:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconia_Order

[fireship4]

lol

i think if they give you the ability to "report" survivors and give the location then that should be simple way to get renown for helping them without the "where to put them" question.

i can see where it might work to pick up a lone downed pilot from your side as you come accross them instead of it being a dictated mission providing your crew slots arent already full so they join your crew until you refit and when the crew slots are all full you will lose the ability to pick them up. (then the reporting them solution above could apply.

[Grothesj2]

Other than picking up your own down airmen or capturing a couple of people of intel value you shouldn't be in the saving victims buisness. Perhaps some leeway BEFORE the time of the Laconia incident but certainly not after.

Laconia-Befehl</B> (Laconia order)

1) Jegliche Rettungsversuche von Angehörigen versenkter Schiffe, also auch das Auffischen Schwimmender und Anbordgabe auf Rettungs- boote, Aufrichten gekenterter Rettungsboote, Abgabe von Nahrungsmitteln und Wasser haben zu unterbleiben. Rettung widerspricht den primitivsten Forderungen der Kriegsführung nach Vernichtung feindlicher Schiffe und deren Besatzungen.
2) Die Befehle über das Mitbringen von Kapitänen und Chefingenieuren bleiben bestehen.
3) Schiffbrüchige nur dann retten, wenn ihre Aussagen für das Boot von Wichtigkeit sind.
4) Bleibt hart. Denkt daran, das der Gegner bei seinen Bombenangriffen auf deutsche Städte keine Rücksicht auf Frauen und Kinder nimmt!
Transl.
1) Every attempt to save survivors of sunken ships, also the fishing up of swimming men and putting them on board lifeboats, the setup right of overturned lifeboats, the handing over of food and water have be discontinued. These rescues contradict the primary demands of warfare esp. the destruction of enemy ships and their crews.
2) The orders concerning the bringing in of skippers and chief engineers stay in effect.
3) Survivors are only to rescue, if their statements are important for the boat.
4) Stay hard. Don't forget, that the enemy didn't take any regard for woman and children when bombarding German towns.

[Thomen]

Not all survivors I would say. There are some (or rather very few) incidents where uboats picked up survivors from ships they sunk, but that usualy were single person or even duo's (Hardegen, as example, picked one survivor up on one of his patrols and this survivor was placed in a POW camp after making port).
However, rescue missions for striken uboats would be great, IMO and those are historically accounted for.

[Talyllyn]

Originally Posted by Hanomag

Yes.. yes.. mow down the shwinehund...

Oops..sorry..

Kapitänleutnant Heinz-William Heck U852 was executed for war crimes after his war diary provided evidence that he had machine gunned survivors from the Greek ship Peleus. Although his primary objective was to sink all the floating debris after sinking the ship.

You do wonder if Werner Hartenstein U156 would have tried quite so hard to save the survivors of the Laconia if they had not been mostly Italian prisoners.


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[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Talyllyn

Kapitänleutnant Heinz-William Heck U852 was executed for war crimes after his war diary provided evidence that he had machine gunned survivors from the Greek ship Peleus. Although his primary objective was to sink all the floating debris after sinking the ship.

Heck's case was, IMO, a case of "Siegerjustiz" and the sentence way over board, compared to other stuff or procedures.

[U2222]

Originally Posted by Thomen

Not all survivors I would say. There are some (or rather very few) incidents where uboats picked up survivors from ships they sunk, but that usualy were single person or even duo's (Hardegen, as example, picked one survivor up on one of his patrols and this survivor was placed in a POW camp after making port).
However, rescue missions for striken uboats would be great, IMO and those are historically accounted for.

It happened more frequently than you may think.
The captain or another senior surviving officer was taken prisoner on numerous occasions.
More than once these prisoners joined the fate of their captors with the loss of the u boat.
There are accounts of survivors pretending that their captain had died to prevent his capture.

[iambecomelife]

Instead of focusing on survivors, being able to retrieve various items from the water or from drifting ships would be an excellent touch. Such as the following:

-Naval Codebooks
-Signalling Tables
-Convoy Organization Documents
-Cargo Manifests
-Intelligence Reports

On more than one occasion submarines managed to locate valuable information about the Allies' war effort either by boarding wrecks or searching the flotsam. At the end of the patrol you should get a renown boost for every such item you retrieve, as long as it has some intelligence worth. We already have the ability to rescue shot-down pilots, so I doubt it would be that tough to code.

[nattydread]

Japanese survivors were very reluctant to being rescued. They were told the US military would do horrible things to them. Japanese civilians were more inclined to accept rescue, but overall it seems the Japanese would rather take their chances at sea.

The Japanese escorts were pretty good about picking up survivors...those still left after the horrible inept and near blind depth-charging of the area. Survivors who lived through the depth-charging from friendly units talk about the unbelievable pain and pressure the pressure waved caused in the water.

It would knock you unconscious, and if it didnt, you'd have a front row seat of the forced evacuation of your bowels.

[Ashikaga]

Sorry to revive an old topic but.....





















Radio it in, give flares, food and water.

As per decree.

Changes later, I know.


Ashikaga.


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