How does the nation pay for obama's health care plan?

GoldenRivet · 07-22-09, 11:50 AM

the answer according to some government reps...

"We dont know"

http://www.wusa9.com/rss/local_artic...?storyid=88729 (play video in upper right)

and what do we the people think? according to some videos - Obama has not quite brainwashed everyone

"the plan will be paid for by the money it saves" indicates Rep. Russ Carnahan

well... the crowd's reaction? Laughter (apparently they know better):

and what about the super ignorant Katherine Sebelius?

she almost cant believe the jeers and boos

It is incredible how out of touch with the public these folks are. one attendee asks "If its such a great health plan, why doesn't congress have to be on it?"

ouch!

because congress wouldn't lower itself to our level of "care" - im betting they wouldnt have to pay into it either.

depending on the polling source you chose to look at, somewhere between 60 to 76% of Americans polled were against Obamas health care plan.

Obama and a fair number of congressional representatives are about to paint themselves into a political corner.

roman2440 · 07-22-09, 02:01 PM

Simple answer - through the arse. We will be paying for it through the arse for years and years to come (until someone gets the balls to pull the plug on the program).

SteamWake · 07-22-09, 02:24 PM

"Tax the Rich"

GoldenRivet · 07-22-09, 02:27 PM

even at 1.1 Trillion dollars taxing the rich aint gonna cut it

why should I have to pay for everyone's health care???

nonsense.

there goes the incentive to be wealthy and successful

PeriscopeDepth · 07-22-09, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

there goes the incentive to be wealthy and successful

Altering tax structure would do little to redefine human nature IMO. You are always going to have people with a drive for success, and those without.

PD

GoldenRivet · 07-22-09, 02:33 PM

true... but if someone is in Tax Bracket "A" and going that little bit further puts one into Tax Bracket "B" - they might just sit tight where they are.

personally i despise being forced by the government to pay for those individuals without the drive for success you spoke of

PeriscopeDepth · 07-22-09, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

personally i despise being forced by the government to pay for those individuals without the drive for success you spoke of

Well, should a child in a public school have to meet a certain GPA to retain taxpayer support?

I think health care is one of those basic needs similar to education. Good health, like a good education, is necessary for the "pursuit of happiness" (economic success through a vocation of your choosing). I don't think the Obama plan is the way to go, but something needs to change.

PD

GoldenRivet · 07-22-09, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth

Well, should a child in a public school have to meet a certain GPA to retain taxpayer support?

probably

i like that idea - if he shows a lack of interest in school or a lack of ability in school he should be placed into a hands on training course to learn a special skill like welding or glass blowing etc.

Letum · 07-22-09, 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

true... but if someone is in Tax Bracket "A" and going that little bit further puts one into Tax Bracket "B" - they might just sit tight where they are.

I seriously doubt that.
I would rather have £20 at 25% tax than £10 at 0%.

The high-tax countries of Northern Europe can not be shown to be
suffering as a result.

They don't feed their cows less, they milk them more.

Max2147 · 07-22-09, 08:15 PM

So why don't high taxes, socialist programs, and single-payer health systems hold back European countries? The Scandinavian countries in particular have higher GDP (per capita) than we do, and their governments run surpluses.

FIREWALL · 07-22-09, 08:26 PM

The simple math is the more people you have employed the more tax revenue you collect.

I could care less about education and health care.

Put America back to work and you can tax and pay for any hairbrained program and as long as people are properous they could care less.

Letum · 07-22-09, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

...I could care less about...

...they could care less.

WHY?!
Why do so many Americans do this?
It drives me mad! MAD I tells ye!

FIREWALL · 07-22-09, 10:37 PM

@ letum When you want to quote me you, quote all my post.

Not just the parts that suit you and twist them.

We call it , takeing out of context.

I consider it baiting.

Lets see if the moderators or Neal agree.

Letum · 07-22-09, 10:52 PM

What does the rest of your post have to do with grammar errors?
How can it be out of context? The entire content of the error lies within:
"I could care less about" and "they could care less."

If you 'could care less' the you do care to an extent that could be infinite.
Saying that removes all rhetorical meaning from what you are trying to say.

Quote:

The idiom "couldn't care less", meaning "doesn't care at all"
(the meaning in full is "cares so little that he couldn't possibly
care less"), originated in Britain around 1940. "Could care less",
which is used with the same meaning, developed in the U.S. around
1960. We get disputes about whether the latter was originally a
mis-hearing of the former; whether it was originally ironic; or
whether it arose from uses where the negative element was separated
from "could" ("None of these writers could care less..."). Henry
Churchyard believes that this sentence by Jane Austen may be
pertinent: "You know nothing and you care less, as people say."
(Mansfield Park (1815), Chapter 29) Meaning-saving elaborations
have also been suggested: "As if I could care less!"; "I could care
less, but I'd have to try"; "If I cared even one iota -- which I
don't --, then I could care less."

Recently encountered has been "could give a damn", used in the
sense "couldn't give a damn".

An earlier transition in which "not" was dropped was the one that
gave us "but" in the sense of "only". "I will not say but one
word", where "but" meant "(anything) except", became "I will say but
one word."

Max2147 · 07-22-09, 11:08 PM

When you say the same words over again, you sometimes swallow some syllables. For example, I say "Milwaukee, Wisconsin" all the time, and it comes out "M'wakee, 'Sconsin." People said "couldn't care less" a lot, and they started swallowing the last syllable of "couldn't."

07-22-09, 11:50 AM	#1
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	How does the nation pay for obama's health care plan? the answer according to some government reps... "We dont know" http://www.wusa9.com/rss/local_artic...?storyid=88729 (play video in upper right) and what do we the people think? according to some videos - Obama has not quite brainwashed everyone "the plan will be paid for by the money it saves" indicates Rep. Russ Carnahan well... the crowd's reaction? Laughter (apparently they know better): and what about the super ignorant Katherine Sebelius? she almost cant believe the jeers and boos It is incredible how out of touch with the public these folks are. one attendee asks "If its such a great health plan, why doesn't congress have to be on it?" ouch! because congress wouldn't lower itself to our level of "care" - im betting they wouldnt have to pay into it either. depending on the polling source you chose to look at, somewhere between 60 to 76% of Americans polled were against Obamas health care plan. Obama and a fair number of congressional representatives are about to paint themselves into a political corner. __________________

07-22-09, 02:24 PM	#3
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	"Tax the Rich" __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

07-22-09, 02:27 PM	#4
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	even at 1.1 Trillion dollars taxing the rich aint gonna cut it why should I have to pay for everyone's health care??? nonsense. there goes the incentive to be wealthy and successful __________________

07-22-09, 02:33 PM	#6
GoldenRivet Subsim Aviator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,726 Downloads: 146 Uploads: 0	true... but if someone is in Tax Bracket "A" and going that little bit further puts one into Tax Bracket "B" - they might just sit tight where they are. personally i despise being forced by the government to pay for those individuals without the drive for success you spoke of __________________

07-22-09, 08:26 PM	#11
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	The simple math is the more people you have employed the more tax revenue you collect. I could care less about education and health care. Put America back to work and you can tax and pay for any hairbrained program and as long as people are properous they could care less. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

07-22-09, 02:01 PM	#2
roman2440 Seaman Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 32 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	Simple answer - through the arse. We will be paying for it through the arse for years and years to come (until someone gets the balls to pull the plug on the program).

07-22-09, 08:15 PM	#10
Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	So why don't high taxes, socialist programs, and single-payer health systems hold back European countries? The Scandinavian countries in particular have higher GDP (per capita) than we do, and their governments run surpluses.

07-22-09, 10:37 PM	#13
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	@ letum When you want to quote me you, quote all my post. Not just the parts that suit you and twist them. We call it , takeing out of context. I consider it baiting. Lets see if the moderators or Neal agree. __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

07-22-09, 11:08 PM	#15
Max2147 Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 714 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	When you say the same words over again, you sometimes swallow some syllables. For example, I say "Milwaukee, Wisconsin" all the time, and it comes out "M'wakee, 'Sconsin." People said "couldn't care less" a lot, and they started swallowing the last syllable of "couldn't."