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GoldenRivet 07-22-09 11:50 AM

How does the nation pay for obama's health care plan?
 
the answer according to some government reps...

"We dont know"

http://www.wusa9.com/rss/local_artic...?storyid=88729 (play video in upper right)

and what do we the people think? according to some videos - Obama has not quite brainwashed everyone

"the plan will be paid for by the money it saves" indicates Rep. Russ Carnahan

well... the crowd's reaction? Laughter (apparently they know better): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9_43...layer_embedded

and what about the super ignorant Katherine Sebelius?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TY5rPkgUybQ

she almost cant believe the jeers and boos :doh:

It is incredible how out of touch with the public these folks are. one attendee asks "If its such a great health plan, why doesn't congress have to be on it?"

ouch!

because congress wouldn't lower itself to our level of "care" - im betting they wouldnt have to pay into it either.

depending on the polling source you chose to look at, somewhere between 60 to 76% of Americans polled were against Obamas health care plan.

Obama and a fair number of congressional representatives are about to paint themselves into a political corner.

roman2440 07-22-09 02:01 PM

Simple answer - through the arse. We will be paying for it through the arse for years and years to come (until someone gets the balls to pull the plug on the program).

SteamWake 07-22-09 02:24 PM

"Tax the Rich" :damn:

GoldenRivet 07-22-09 02:27 PM

even at 1.1 Trillion dollars taxing the rich aint gonna cut it :nope:

why should I have to pay for everyone's health care???

nonsense.

there goes the incentive to be wealthy and successful :shifty:

PeriscopeDepth 07-22-09 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1138675)
there goes the incentive to be wealthy and successful :shifty:

Altering tax structure would do little to redefine human nature IMO. You are always going to have people with a drive for success, and those without.

PD

GoldenRivet 07-22-09 02:33 PM

true... but if someone is in Tax Bracket "A" and going that little bit further puts one into Tax Bracket "B" - they might just sit tight where they are.

personally i despise being forced by the government to pay for those individuals without the drive for success you spoke of

PeriscopeDepth 07-22-09 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1138688)
personally i despise being forced by the government to pay for those individuals without the drive for success you spoke of

Well, should a child in a public school have to meet a certain GPA to retain taxpayer support?

I think health care is one of those basic needs similar to education. Good health, like a good education, is necessary for the "pursuit of happiness" (economic success through a vocation of your choosing). I don't think the Obama plan is the way to go, but something needs to change.

PD

GoldenRivet 07-22-09 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeriscopeDepth (Post 1138695)
Well, should a child in a public school have to meet a certain GPA to retain taxpayer support?

probably :hmmm:

i like that idea - if he shows a lack of interest in school or a lack of ability in school he should be placed into a hands on training course to learn a special skill like welding or glass blowing etc.

Letum 07-22-09 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet (Post 1138688)
true... but if someone is in Tax Bracket "A" and going that little bit further puts one into Tax Bracket "B" - they might just sit tight where they are.

I seriously doubt that.
I would rather have £20 at 25% tax than £10 at 0%.

The high-tax countries of Northern Europe can not be shown to be
suffering as a result.

They don't feed their cows less, they milk them more.

Max2147 07-22-09 08:15 PM

So why don't high taxes, socialist programs, and single-payer health systems hold back European countries? The Scandinavian countries in particular have higher GDP (per capita) than we do, and their governments run surpluses.

FIREWALL 07-22-09 08:26 PM

The simple math is the more people you have employed the more tax revenue you collect.

I could care less about education and health care.

Put America back to work and you can tax and pay for any hairbrained program and as long as people are properous they could care less.

Letum 07-22-09 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FIREWALL (Post 1138843)
...I could care less about...

...they could care less.



:damn::x:mad:

WHY?!
Why do so many Americans do this?
It drives me mad! MAD I tells ye!

http://www.orble.com/images/i-could-care-less.JPG

FIREWALL 07-22-09 10:37 PM

@ letum When you want to quote me you, quote all my post.

Not just the parts that suit you and twist them.

We call it , takeing out of context.

I consider it baiting.

Lets see if the moderators or Neal agree. :hmmm:

Letum 07-22-09 10:52 PM

What does the rest of your post have to do with grammar errors?
How can it be out of context? The entire content of the error lies within:
"I could care less about" and "they could care less."

If you 'could care less' the you do care to an extent that could be infinite.
Saying that removes all rhetorical meaning from what you are trying to say.



Quote:

The idiom "couldn't care less", meaning "doesn't care at all"
(the meaning in full is "cares so little that he couldn't possibly
care less"), originated in Britain around 1940. "Could care less",
which is used with the same meaning, developed in the U.S. around
1960. We get disputes about whether the latter was originally a
mis-hearing of the former; whether it was originally ironic; or
whether it arose from uses where the negative element was separated
from "could" ("None of these writers could care less..."). Henry
Churchyard believes that this sentence by Jane Austen may be
pertinent: "You know nothing and you care less, as people say."
(Mansfield Park (1815), Chapter 29) Meaning-saving elaborations
have also been suggested: "As if I could care less!"; "I could care
less, but I'd have to try"; "If I cared even one iota -- which I
don't --, then I could care less."

Recently encountered has been "could give a damn", used in the
sense "couldn't give a damn".

An earlier transition in which "not" was dropped was the one that
gave us "but" in the sense of "only". "I will not say but one
word", where "but" meant "(anything) except", became "I will say but
one word."



Max2147 07-22-09 11:08 PM

When you say the same words over again, you sometimes swallow some syllables. For example, I say "Milwaukee, Wisconsin" all the time, and it comes out "M'wakee, 'Sconsin." People said "couldn't care less" a lot, and they started swallowing the last syllable of "couldn't."


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