My theory about us Sim captains

Kloef · 07-03-09, 05:58 AM

He sailors

bear with me i've been thinking about this alot...

Some of us have years of experience sailing submarines trough the virtual world,we learn all the tricks know all the moves,know all the sounds.Apart from leadership and personal experience you could say some of us are pretty good at it.

Maybe a strange comparison,the simulated over the real thing but technically you make the same technical/tactical decisions..and the results are the same.......sunken tonnage!

So to conclude my question is:

Purely on the decision making part and the tactical moves are we any good in comparison with real Wo2 sub captains?

So i was wondering what you guys think about that.

Rockin Robbins · 07-03-09, 06:36 AM

No, your life isn't in danger, so there are no similarities between your decisions and a real U-Boat captain's decisions. You also don't have individual crew members with various strengths and weaknesses, so your command decisions have no relationship with the command decisions of a real U-Boat captain.

That's only the beginning but I'll leave the rest for others to abuse you with.

SteamWake · 07-03-09, 06:47 AM

I think it would be safe to say that a game is a far sight easier than real life

Torplexed · 07-03-09, 06:48 AM

My answer would be an unequivocal no. We're good at playing a game that maybe simulates maybe a tiny percentage of what went into being a real WW2 sub captain. We have way more control over the situation than a real captain would. Everything on our sub always works perfectly and crew always does their job. We don't have to worry about distractions like navigational errors, spoiled food, sea-sickness, stench, contaminated water, stifling humidity, numbing cold, leadership, morale, short circuits, responsibility for our crew's well-being, and about a million other details. We can take a break, quit the game anytime we wish and go for a walk or watch TV. We never have to deal with the myriad human and mechanical problems of a real submarine from a troublesome crew member to a broken down bilge pump for which the spare parts have gone missing all of which eventually have a bearing on your tactical decisions. We never have to deal with seeing a burned and blacken corpse float by for which we are responsible. Not to mention that the AI is only a shadow of what the real enemy would be like. I'd be embarrassed to even attempt to compare myself to a real submarine captain....and I'm glad it's just a game.

Rockin Robbins · 07-03-09, 08:21 AM

Arrrrrrrr! Whip him without mercy~!

Also, in real life you wouldn't have sarcastic hecklers like us questioning your every utterance........maybe you would!

Dread Knot · 07-03-09, 08:34 AM

I guess I look at it this way. I'm pretty good at playing Paintball. I wonder if that means I would make a decent platoon leader.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. No.

Armistead · 07-03-09, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Kloef

He sailors

bear with me i've been thinking about this alot...

Some of us have years of experience sailing submarines trough the virtual world,we learn all the tricks know all the moves,know all the sounds.Apart from leadership and personal experience you could say some of us are pretty good at it.

Now i'm gonna be bold,with all this experience we have are we actually better then they were at their time?Alot of us have more hours at the controls then any u-boot captain would ever attain in a career!

Maybe a strange comparison,the simulated over the real thing but technically you make the same technical/tactical desisions..and the results are the same.......sunken tonnage!

So to conclude my question is:

Purely on the desision making part and the tactical moves are we any good in comparison with real Wo2 sub captains?

So i was wondering what you guys think about that.

You're not being serious are you? Please say you're not. If this theory were somehow true, just think
of the possibilities....endless.

The only thing funnier than this thread would be someone trying to explain to you the differences in complete detail.

Armistead · 07-03-09, 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kloef

He sailors

bear with me i've been thinking about this alot...

Some of us have years of experience sailing submarines trough the virtual world,we learn all the tricks know all the moves,know all the sounds.Apart from leadership and personal experience you could say some of us are pretty good at it.

Now i'm gonna be bold,with all this experience we have are we actually better then they were at their time?Alot of us have more hours at the controls then any u-boot captain would ever attain in a career!

Maybe a strange comparison,the simulated over the real thing but technically you make the same technical/tactical desisions..and the results are the same.......sunken tonnage!

So to conclude my question is:

Purely on the desision making part and the tactical moves are we any good in comparison with real Wo2 sub captains?

So i was wondering what you guys think about that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

I guess I look at it this way. I'm pretty good at playing Paintball. I wonder if that means I would make a decent platoon leader.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. No.

With all the time I've spent play Tiger Woods Golf, I guess this means I can beat Tiger Woods.

Buddahaid · 07-03-09, 10:19 AM

I think both posits given here have validity. While it true we don't have the level of complexity in actuality, we also don't play in real-time. Many of the tasks, such as navigation, are very complex with all the variables we simply take for granted as done to save time.

Buddahaid

Kloef · 07-03-09, 11:44 AM

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Also, in real life you wouldn't have sarcastic hecklers like us questioning your every utterance........maybe you would!

I dont mind its just fun to read the reactions!

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I'd be embarrassed to even attempt to compare myself to a real submarine captain....and I'm glad it's just a game.

I dont compare myself to the real thing,its just something i think about and want to share thoughts on,you will never see me wear a T-shirt with " i'm a subsim-captain " and yes its a game i can shut off,pause or replay...

Quote:

You're not being serious are you?

not really its just an idea..

Quote:

The only thing funnier than this thread would be someone trying to explain to you the differences in complete detail.

i think someone just did

Funny the paintball theory....but its not nearly the same and Tiger Woods had eye surgery so he doesnt count

Armistead · 07-03-09, 12:11 PM

I didn't think you were serious, but threads just fun for the reactions often don't go well.

Mr.O'Bannon · 07-03-09, 12:51 PM

I bet there are more then a couple potentially great WWII subdrivers on this forum.

Task Force · 07-03-09, 01:50 PM

yea, some of us would be pretty good, (not the 700,000 tons that some of us have gotten in acouple of years.) but good.

sunvalleyslim · 07-03-09, 04:25 PM

In true life I got to be a Torpedoman on a Fleet Boat (USS Segundo SS-398, 1968-70) Me and the Capt. knew how far we were going to go in that Mans Navy. Wish I could have been at the Control Table plotting the course. But at the time I thought it was cool to be in the Torpedo Room, loading and firing...................

Morpheus · 07-03-09, 06:56 PM

No

Besides all reality factors, this simulation is just not complex enough...

07-03-09, 05:58 AM	#1
Kloef Weps Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 360 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	My theory about us Sim captains He sailors bear with me i've been thinking about this alot... Some of us have years of experience sailing submarines trough the virtual world,we learn all the tricks know all the moves,know all the sounds.Apart from leadership and personal experience you could say some of us are pretty good at it. Maybe a strange comparison,the simulated over the real thing but technically you make the same technical/tactical decisions..and the results are the same.......sunken tonnage! So to conclude my question is: Purely on the decision making part and the tactical moves are we any good in comparison with real Wo2 sub captains? So i was wondering what you guys think about that. __________________ http://www.dutchsubmarines.com/ Last edited by Kloef; 07-03-09 at 12:16 PM. Reason: one simple question instead of 2

07-03-09, 06:36 AM	#2
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	No, your life isn't in danger, so there are no similarities between your decisions and a real U-Boat captain's decisions. You also don't have individual crew members with various strengths and weaknesses, so your command decisions have no relationship with the command decisions of a real U-Boat captain. That's only the beginning but I'll leave the rest for others to abuse you with. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

07-03-09, 06:47 AM	#3
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I think it would be safe to say that a game is a far sight easier than real life __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

07-03-09, 08:21 AM	#5
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Arrrrrrrr! Whip him without mercy~! Also, in real life you wouldn't have sarcastic hecklers like us questioning your every utterance........maybe you would! __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

07-03-09, 01:50 PM	#13
Task Force Rear Admiral Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SPACE!!!! Posts: 10,142 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	yea, some of us would be pretty good, (not the 700,000 tons that some of us have gotten in acouple of years.) but good. __________________ Task Force industries "Taking control of the world, one mind at a time"

07-03-09, 06:48 AM	#4
Torplexed Let's Sink Sumptin' ! Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 5,823 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	My answer would be an unequivocal no. We're good at playing a game that maybe simulates maybe a tiny percentage of what went into being a real WW2 sub captain. We have way more control over the situation than a real captain would. Everything on our sub always works perfectly and crew always does their job. We don't have to worry about distractions like navigational errors, spoiled food, sea-sickness, stench, contaminated water, stifling humidity, numbing cold, leadership, morale, short circuits, responsibility for our crew's well-being, and about a million other details. We can take a break, quit the game anytime we wish and go for a walk or watch TV. We never have to deal with the myriad human and mechanical problems of a real submarine from a troublesome crew member to a broken down bilge pump for which the spare parts have gone missing all of which eventually have a bearing on your tactical decisions. We never have to deal with seeing a burned and blacken corpse float by for which we are responsible. Not to mention that the AI is only a shadow of what the real enemy would be like. I'd be embarrassed to even attempt to compare myself to a real submarine captain....and I'm glad it's just a game.

07-03-09, 08:34 AM	#6
Dread Knot Ace of the Deep Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,288 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I guess I look at it this way. I'm pretty good at playing Paintball. I wonder if that means I would make a decent platoon leader. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. No.

07-03-09, 10:19 AM	#9
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,323 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	I think both posits given here have validity. While it true we don't have the level of complexity in actuality, we also don't play in real-time. Many of the tasks, such as navigation, are very complex with all the variables we simply take for granted as done to save time. Buddahaid

07-03-09, 12:11 PM	#11
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I didn't think you were serious, but threads just fun for the reactions often don't go well.

07-03-09, 12:51 PM	#12
Mr.O'Bannon Watch Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 22 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	I bet there are more then a couple potentially great WWII subdrivers on this forum.

07-03-09, 04:25 PM	#14
sunvalleyslim Ace of the Deep Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 1,142 Downloads: 267 Uploads: 0	In true life I got to be a Torpedoman on a Fleet Boat (USS Segundo SS-398, 1968-70) Me and the Capt. knew how far we were going to go in that Mans Navy. Wish I could have been at the Control Table plotting the course. But at the time I thought it was cool to be in the Torpedo Room, loading and firing................... __________________ Crew member/ decommission member TM2(SS)(SD) 3/68-7/70 DIESEL BOATS FOREVER USS SEGUNDO (SS398)

07-03-09, 06:56 PM	#15
Morpheus Ensign Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 234 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	No Besides all reality factors, this simulation is just not complex enough...