Planes o' steel?

Lt.Fillipidis · 06-25-09, 10:40 AM

Seriously now, are those Catalinas / Avengers / Spitfires supposed to take so many hits before they go down? I have great times fighting them but it would be better if i could actually win them...
No word for the liberators. I cant even scratch them.

My IXC/40 is equiped with that double barrel heavy flak along with 4 specialized flak gunners.

papa_smurf · 06-25-09, 10:47 AM

Avoid at all costs, it will only end with you been sunk/damaged or dead crew. Best option is to crash dive if you spot them, or detect on radar/radar detector.

Brag · 06-25-09, 10:47 AM

I think the airplanes are pretty realistic, in reality, very few airplanes were shot down or even damaged by U-boats and the plane became the U-boats' main enemy.

papa_smurf · 06-25-09, 11:06 AM

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I think the airplanes are pretty realistic, in reality, very few airplanes were shot down or even damaged by U-boats and the plane became the U-boats' main enemy.

Very true, as I have been on several occasions damaged by Ansons, including my last patrol which resulted in 2 dead crewmen.

nikbear · 06-25-09, 11:31 AM

Planes are very fast,very small and agile,the mere fact that you can hit one is lucky in its self,the chances of you downing one are on the slim side of anorexic

Don't take the risk,you have to be very lucky all the time,They on the other hand only have to be lucky the once

Jimbuna · 06-25-09, 11:37 AM

Just wait till 43 when the buggas have rockets

Jaman · 06-25-09, 12:03 PM

Vierling or not, just crash dive. Unless you have some sort of deathwish.

sharkbit · 06-25-09, 12:24 PM

I thought I saw in a thread a while back that aircraft in the game were made a little harder to bring down to kinda lead players to behave more realistically when it comes to U-boat vs. aircraft.

No worries for me though. I haven't made an attempt to battle it out with aircraft, nor plan to, unless I get suprised on the surface(loading externals, lookouts asleep, etc.)

PavelKirilovich · 06-25-09, 07:33 PM

Before I installed GWX I had no fear of aircraft. I had a good set of antiaircraft tactics and on one occassion I shot down over thirty RAF Coastal Command aircraft and even some Fairey Swordfish. That was with a single C/30 twin-barrel installation, later with two. At the time I wasn't conning anything that fit a Flakvierling or a 37mm.

This is because stock SH3 does not recognize that the U-boat is a suboptimal gunnery platform at the best of times. I've noticed decreased flak accuracy in GWX, with decreased boat stability and so on. My antiaircraft tactics still work, it just takes much more ammunition and the boat is damaged in the process far more often. That "me versus thirty" fight described above only knocked 2% off my hull integrity due to the tail gunners on some of the aircraft I was engaging.

If you're trapped on the surface, as in absolutely cannot dive for whatever reason (this has happened to me with the boat needing to "air out" to replenish the O2 and recharge batteries) then go to ahead flank. Man the Flak if you can. Keep an eye out for aircraft making an attack run. Turn in towards them hard, as this will cause them to overshoot. Then, as they pass over you, execute a hard turn away from their axis of travel. This typically messes up anybody else lining up on you. Gets real complex with more than four aircraft to keep track of.

Jimbuna · 06-26-09, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by sharkbit

I thought I saw in a thread a while back that aircraft in the game were made a little harder to bring down to kinda lead players to behave more realistically when it comes to U-boat vs. aircraft.

No worries for me though. I haven't made an attempt to battle it out with aircraft, nor plan to, unless I get suprised on the surface(loading externals, lookouts asleep, etc.)

That was more or less the original intention because shooting down double figures aircraft on each patrol was totally unrealistic.

Lt.Fillipidis · 06-27-09, 07:42 PM

I actually fight every single plane i spot that isnt followed by a DD.
I do down them most of the times but it takes a lot of time...
Anyways, as long as i have a flak gun ready to fire, no plane will be safe!

Pohl · 06-27-09, 08:57 PM

I just sank 3 swordfish on the operation Invasion to Norway, but I had 2 flack guns and 1 of those big looking AA guns

06-25-09, 10:40 AM	#1
Lt.Fillipidis Weps Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Veria, Greece Posts: 365 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	Planes o' steel? Seriously now, are those Catalinas / Avengers / Spitfires supposed to take so many hits before they go down? I have great times fighting them but it would be better if i could actually win them... No word for the liberators. I cant even scratch them. My IXC/40 is equiped with that double barrel heavy flak along with 4 specialized flak gunners.

06-25-09, 10:47 AM	#2
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Avoid at all costs, it will only end with you been sunk/damaged or dead crew. Best option is to crash dive if you spot them, or detect on radar/radar detector. __________________

06-25-09, 10:47 AM	#3
Brag Navy Seal Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Docked on a Russian pond Posts: 7,072 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	I think the airplanes are pretty realistic, in reality, very few airplanes were shot down or even damaged by U-boats and the plane became the U-boats' main enemy. __________________ Espionage, adventure, suspense, are just a click away Click here to look inside Brag's book: Amazon.com: Kingmaker: Alexey Braguine: Books Order Kingmaker here: http://www.subsim.com/store.html For Tactics visit:http://www.freewebs.com/kielman/

06-25-09, 11:31 AM	#5
nikbear Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Northampton,UK Posts: 1,859 Downloads: 86 Uploads: 0	Planes are very fast,very small and agile,the mere fact that you can hit one is lucky in its self,the chances of you downing one are on the slim side of anorexic Don't take the risk,you have to be very lucky all the time,They on the other hand only have to be lucky the once __________________ 'It is not surely known when the grey wolf shall come upon the seat of the gods' Ericksmal.

06-25-09, 11:37 AM	#6
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,844 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Just wait till 43 when the buggas have rockets __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

06-25-09, 12:03 PM	#7
Jaman Gunner Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 95 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Vierling or not, just crash dive. Unless you have some sort of deathwish. __________________ Silent Hunter III - GWX 2.1 - 16km Atmosphere - SH3 Commander - 62% Realism - DiD Kaptlt. Reinhard Hessler - 7th Flotilla - U-255 (Type VIIC) Oblt. z. S. Hayden von Beier - R.I.P

06-25-09, 12:24 PM	#8
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	I thought I saw in a thread a while back that aircraft in the game were made a little harder to bring down to kinda lead players to behave more realistically when it comes to U-boat vs. aircraft. No worries for me though. I haven't made an attempt to battle it out with aircraft, nor plan to, unless I get suprised on the surface(loading externals, lookouts asleep, etc.) __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

06-25-09, 07:33 PM	#9
PavelKirilovich Machinist's Mate Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Canadian Coast Posts: 123 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	Before I installed GWX I had no fear of aircraft. I had a good set of antiaircraft tactics and on one occassion I shot down over thirty RAF Coastal Command aircraft and even some Fairey Swordfish. That was with a single C/30 twin-barrel installation, later with two. At the time I wasn't conning anything that fit a Flakvierling or a 37mm. This is because stock SH3 does not recognize that the U-boat is a suboptimal gunnery platform at the best of times. I've noticed decreased flak accuracy in GWX, with decreased boat stability and so on. My antiaircraft tactics still work, it just takes much more ammunition and the boat is damaged in the process far more often. That "me versus thirty" fight described above only knocked 2% off my hull integrity due to the tail gunners on some of the aircraft I was engaging. If you're trapped on the surface, as in absolutely cannot dive for whatever reason (this has happened to me with the boat needing to "air out" to replenish the O2 and recharge batteries) then go to ahead flank. Man the Flak if you can. Keep an eye out for aircraft making an attack run. Turn in towards them hard, as this will cause them to overshoot. Then, as they pass over you, execute a hard turn away from their axis of travel. This typically messes up anybody else lining up on you. Gets real complex with more than four aircraft to keep track of. __________________ Winter Garden on the North Atlantic Currently: U128 (Type IXC), U180 (Type IXD2), U198 (Type IXD2) operating in the I.O. Previously: U48 (Type VIIB), U568 (Type VIIC) [Completed 1940-1945 career in Type VIIs, in the Atlantic] Running: SH3 v1.4b w/ GWX 2.1

06-27-09, 07:42 PM	#11
Lt.Fillipidis Weps Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Veria, Greece Posts: 365 Downloads: 44 Uploads: 0	I actually fight every single plane i spot that isnt followed by a DD. I do down them most of the times but it takes a lot of time... Anyways, as long as i have a flak gun ready to fire, no plane will be safe!

06-27-09, 08:57 PM	#12
Pohl Sparky Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 157 Downloads: 31 Uploads: 0	I just sank 3 swordfish on the operation Invasion to Norway, but I had 2 flack guns and 1 of those big looking AA guns __________________ Current Careers: U-177 Type IXD2, 10th Flotilla March 13, 1943 U-3502 Type XXI, 7th/13th Flotilla April 14, 1942 100% realism, GWX 3.0, SH3 Commander 3.2