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Old 06-23-09, 07:50 PM   #46
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Prove that. And do it with the majority. Not one incident here or there.

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Old 06-23-09, 07:51 PM   #47
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Then tell me why the MASSIVE amounts of charity over the decades has.

A) Gone party to dictators who seize the shipments time and again or claim the shipments are their own to gain their power.

B) Helped at best EXTREMELY little. The hungry amount stands at over a billion today.

C) Actually contributed to growth of poverty my artificially increasing the food supply in these nations. After the "charity fad" is over people who have grown defendant on the shipments start to starve. Very little is spent on actually improving the land or building agricultural schools so people can use the land better. No most of it is to toss a bit of grain or rice at someone and make someone at home feel good as they drop a single kid off to soccer practice in a massive SUV.

As for this? Its another cart before the horse thing. Have at it if you wish but doing things like saying "Ive been arrested bail me out by donating" Is a sick way to convince people to donate. Guess they have to give more of a damn for your ass then the baby eh?

Yes I guess I am heartless saying such stuff. Maybe its because I am sick of these thousands of charities having zip of a global impact while meaningful tech and health advancements stagnate because they arent directly "Feel good" enough.
Is there any reason then that you have to beat the hell out of Golden Rivet over it. You need some help in the aggression department. Call your congressman about it. Let Golden Rivets wife have her moment collecting for permature babies here in the US.
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Old 06-23-09, 07:56 PM   #48
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Then tell me why the MASSIVE amounts of charity over the decades has.

A) Gone party to dictators who seize the shipments time and again or claim the shipments are their own to gain their power.

B) Helped at best EXTREMELY little. The hungry amount stands at over a billion today.

C) Actually contributed to growth of poverty my artificially increasing the food supply in these nations. After the "charity fad" is over people who have grown defendant on the shipments start to starve. Very little is spent on actually improving the land or building agricultural schools so people can use the land better. No most of it is to toss a bit of grain or rice at someone and make someone at home feel good as they drop a single kid off to soccer practice in a massive SUV.

As for this? Its another cart before the horse thing. Have at it if you wish but doing things like saying "Ive been arrested bail me out by donating" Is a sick way to convince people to donate. Guess they have to give more of a damn for your ass then the baby eh?

Yes I guess I am heartless saying such stuff. Maybe its because I am sick of these thousands of charities having zip of a global impact while meaningful tech and health advancements stagnate because they arent directly "Feel good" enough.
If you've read ANYTHING about March of Dimes, you'd know that your arguments are absolutely absurd as far as their work is concerned.

You say you're sick of seeing "meaningful health advances stagnate." Do you consider the polio vaccine, and the subsequent eradication of polio, to be a meaningful health advance? The polio vaccine was created by research that was almost entirely funded by March of Dimes.
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Old 06-23-09, 08:01 PM   #49
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If you've read ANYTHING about March of Dimes, you'd know that your arguments are absolutely absurd as far as their work is concerned.

You say you're sick of seeing "meaningful health advances stagnate." Do you consider the polio vaccine, and the subsequent eradication of polio, to be a meaningful health advance? The polio vaccine was created by research that was almost entirely funded by March of Dimes.
im at a loss for words.

max... it does no good to tell Zach, he wont read it, nor will he admit that his position in this "argument" is untenable.

i'll only say this

"One monkey dont stop no show"
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Old 06-23-09, 08:04 PM   #50
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T"Ive been arrested bail me out by donating" Is a sick way to convince people to donate.
zach have you not heard of a "jail and bail" charity drive before???

they ACTUALLY put you behind bars in a cage in a place of business or at a carnival etc... and people donate 50 cents or $1 or $20 or 50 bucks toward your "bail" (however much they want)

when your "bail" amount is reached - the total amount is donated to the charity and you are let out of the cage.

its just a fun kinda funny way to raise charity money, and its a good time for your friends and colleagues to come by pick on you and tease you about how long your going to be locked away forever.

yeah... get out more man.
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Old 06-23-09, 09:09 PM   #51
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Then tell me why the MASSIVE amounts of charity over the decades has.

A) Gone party to dictators who seize the shipments time and again or claim the shipments are their own to gain their power.

B) Helped at best EXTREMELY little. The hungry amount stands at over a billion today.

C) Actually contributed to growth of poverty my artificially increasing the food supply in these nations. After the "charity fad" is over people who have grown defendant on the shipments start to starve. Very little is spent on actually improving the land or building agricultural schools so people can use the land better. No most of it is to toss a bit of grain or rice at someone and make someone at home feel good as they drop a single kid off to soccer practice in a massive SUV.

As for this? Its another cart before the horse thing. Have at it if you wish but doing things like saying "Ive been arrested bail me out by donating" Is a sick way to convince people to donate. Guess they have to give more of a damn for your ass then the baby eh?

Yes I guess I am heartless saying such stuff. Maybe its because I am sick of these thousands of charities having zip of a global impact while meaningful tech and health advancements stagnate because they arent directly "Feel good" enough.

You should start your own thread about how you feel about charities. Don't post any further in this one. Consider that official advice.

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Old 06-23-09, 10:37 PM   #52
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For cryin out loud.

Its not an actual jail its a virtual one. You know 'make believe' you did that when you were a kid right?

Good lord
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Old 06-23-09, 11:22 PM   #53
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funny - thats what they call it "arrested"

she even got a little arrest warrant, and a list of charges and everything
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Old 06-24-09, 03:29 AM   #54
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funny - thats what they call it "arrested"

she even got a little arrest warrant, and a list of charges and everything
What were the charges? Did they include driving while intoxicating?
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Good luck to your wife Golden. It actually sounds like it can be fun for the "prisoner".
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Having the blessing of working with neonatal technology. I can tell you that the advances we have made with vasodilator gas has made a huge difference in premature babies lives. This technology help them stay alive and avoid blindness from the large O2 saturation they need to live. The cost of this treatment is HUGE. But charities like March of Dimes help families with those bills. People that give to the March of Dimes can and should feel good, not about themselves, but about those kids who have a life they may not have if it were not for the donations.
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Old 06-24-09, 09:39 AM   #57
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Having the blessing of working with neonatal technology. I can tell you that the advances we have made with vasodilator gas has made a huge difference in premature babies lives. This technology help them stay alive and avoid blindness from the large O2 saturation they need to live. The cost of this treatment is HUGE. But charities like March of Dimes help families with those bills. People that give to the March of Dimes can and should feel good, not about themselves, but about those kids who have a life they may not have if it were not for the donations.
That is interesting Frame because my twin nieces(premies), concerning their eyes, were always checked and recheck for eye problems. In my previous picture post I believe you can see the eye patchs put on right after birth and kept on for quite sometime. They still look at them when they go for the wellness visit. I'm happy to report all is good with their eyes.

Edit: Here ya go. Both had their eyes covered like this for a long while. Man, were they tiny. No bigger than my hand..




I got to hand it to those in the NICU at Johns Hopkins.
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Old 06-24-09, 12:58 PM   #58
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im proud of the Subsim camp!

she is nearly up to 20% of her goal and it is owed to the gracious members here.

i think her friends and family are going to make up a large part of the later contributions... but they are going to go see here in the cage before they put anything into the hat.

thanks guys for giving her a good solid start!
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Old 06-24-09, 01:51 PM   #59
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You're welcome sir!
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When a society fails to take care of it's most helpless, most vulnerable, then I think that society is doomed.

This is a worthy cause, and I am a bit stunned at some comments here. This is how you help yourself, your neighbor, and your world. By helping ONE individual at a time.


.......I wish I could give more.
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