Nazi symbols and "immersion": boundaries?

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Armistead

Let's not talk about Sherman, he burnt several of my relatives houses. Who know what untold wealth may have come my way.

Yes, from an airplane it is still possible in some places to see the swath cut by his army as it made its way across the south to Savannah and up to South Carolina. My guess is that the South would have eliminated slavery on their own and the economic strata would have mixed anyway. That could just be wishful thinking.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Because when I turn off the game, no one has died. No one has been injured. No damage has been done. The Nazis haven't come closer to conquering Europe. Playing SH3 doesn't further the Nazi's goals. I don't have to swear allegiance to the Fuehrer or the Fatherland to play SH3.

Precisely mookie .....and just in case anyone has forgotten.....this is a game, nothing more, it amazes me what hypocritical spin some people have the brass neck to put forward sometimes.

Discussions and endless debates could easily be orchestrated about any of the participants in the last world war, depending on your sympathies, upbringing, beliefs or whatever. In fact as someone has already pointed out, go back long enough in the history of any nation and the likelihood is you'll discover some atrocity or evil that nation is absolutely guilty of.

It must be nice to focus in on one particular ideology of choice yet have the luxury of ignoring the rest in the same era.

Keep things balanced and in the context they were/are intended......a gaming context. After all this is supposed to be predominantly a gaming enthusiasts forum.

If I come across a sig or anything else on a forum that gives the impression it is supportive of Nazis, Fascists or whatever, I wouldn't hesitate in challenging or at the very least enquire as to the intended purpose of such offensive material.

I have seen very little if any of that here on SubSim and wholeheartedly agree with Neal when he posts

the nazi symbol is not a problem as long as it is in a historical context and not a political statement.

The simple rule here folks as I've already said is.....keep things balanced and in the right context.

[Rockin Robbins]

Ooooof! The straw man takes another mighty blow! Too bad he doesn't bleed or anything to reward you for your skill in battle.

Looks like he might burn pretty well if you took the trouble to light him up.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

well as propaganda it'd be rather counterproductive:rotfl:
I can't help seeing some resemblance to Himmler in Monty Pyton's 'Mr.
"Sorry mein Führer I did not...[Slapped by Hilter] argh.. mein... Dicky old chum!"

Don't find him properly intimidating, eh? He's part of the new Reich recruiting campaign, "Let the Reich join YOU!" They're recruiting marshmallows now. Things aren't what they used to be...

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Yes, from an airplane it is still possible in some places to see the swath cut by his army as it made its way across the south to Savannah and up to South Carolina. My guess is that the South would have eliminated slavery on their own and the economic strata would have mixed anyway. That could just be wishful thinking.

Bad as slavery was, it was a US institution of culture. The property value of slaves was worth more than northern industry. To the south it would be equal to the government coming and taking all your money out of the bank. Obvious, the war wasn't started over slavery and Lincoln would have gladly let it continue if the southern states came back.

In a lot of ways the civil war was like WW2. The south started it and Sherman said from the start that northern industry would take over and we would be decimated. In reality why most southerners thought they died fighting against an invading force, they died for a few rich idiots.

[joeljansson]

Originally Posted by irish1958

New players join all the time; they have the same ideas and views that we had who joined two, three or more years ago, and discussed then. I see no problem with the new people bringing up the discussion again.

hes right im kinda new and I say go buy the informing movie called "Hitler the rise of evil" watch that and you understand i watched it yesterday i learnead that hitler started by being invited to speak at a bar and then it grew and grew till it ended. Go buy it and you see. Ps hitler found a dog in ww1 the dog didnt do as he said and ran out hitler came out after him to hit him and 2 sec after hitler was out a bomb exploded where he and the other 20-30 guys ate. the dog died . learned anything i know i have.

[Buddahaid]

Oooh! RR's pictures just got pulled for violating policy. Guess will have to use Chaplin's double cross now.

Buddahaid

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Oooh! RR's pictures just got pulled for violating policy. Guess will have to use Chaplin's double cross now.

Buddahaid

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Looks like he pulled it himself

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by DarkFish

ehm, the nazis did not invent any differences, with most western-european countries they instead hammered on being quite similar! They invaded Holland 'cause we Dutchmen are germanic people too and thus needed to join Germany in some huge germanic super-state.
Or that's what they told... It's much more likely Hitler was just a megalomane psychopath aching for even more land to control...

My recall of western European history makes nearly all the peoples Germanic in origin. The barbarian invasion into the waning Western Roman Empire was made up of many Germanic tribes as in the Vandals, Visigoths, Ostragoths, Angels, Saxons, Lombardi, Franks, Burgundians, Alemanni, etc. These people eventually were absorbed into the Latin Catholic Church's sphere of influence. The pre-nation states of Neustria and Austrassia were formed as part of the Kingdom of the Franks which preshadowed modern France and Germany. Conversational latin diverged into french, spanish, italian, german and english. It's really pretty much just the Mohammedans and Celts that are not Germanic.

Buddahaid

[Rockin Robbins]

Good! Then I can delete the accursed things from my PhotoBucket page. I don't want 'em there.

OOPS! It was PhotoBucket that deleted them. The most despicable pic of all, of the daddy giving the Nazi salute holding his little daughter, is still there ! They sure don't seem to know what's objectionable, do they? I think they did a text search for Nazi or idiot, both words used in the pic names, nazi idiot1, nazi idiot2, etc. Seems like if they looked at the photos they'd have deleted the nice Nazi daddy.:rotfl:

But that gives me the excuse to delete the whole lot of 'em. Begone!

So at PhotoBucket, you can post blatantly Nazi pictures, but don't entitle them Nazi Idiot 1.! It's MOST insensitive of me to call a Nazi an idiot!

This is silly....if you look at ancient roman mosaics you will find the cross symbol adopted by the Nazis during their regime. There are many symbols that have existed since the dawn of human's ability to draw, most have been pirated by mal forces over history. Even the good old pagan cross itself was nicked by those christian types.

It is just plane nonsense to ban symbols for fear they might be associated with some bad guys.....surely we've much more important things to worry about ? If not give me a shout and i'll suggest something like 1 billion in abject poverty, glacial melt, or even the price of eggs.

[joeljansson]

the nazi cross is at an angel and therefore NOT the "real" swatsikaclosed chapter

[tater]

Like RR I'm not in favor of banning language or symbols, not even in sigs.

That said, in the context of this game forum (talking about ww2) the symbol absolutely has meaning, and anyone using it in a sig is telling us something about himself whether he knows it or not.

It's sort of nice, really, it lets us know who's the sort who would turn in their neighbors if push came to shove.

Some will argue that statement, but that is absolutely a reasonable assumption that many might have viewing the sig. As RR said way up the thread, it's not about banning, it's about the people with the sigs thinking about how they wish to present themselves to the community.

[joeljansson]

im not one who would choose that mark for me or the world because of the bad history in 21 to 45 and some people are still dumb enough to think that nazi power will win still today.

[Rockin Robbins]

Uber, the Nazi flag may use a swastika, but it is a highly trademarked swastika with prescribed proportions, colors, orientation, making a Nazi flag or swastika unmistakable in identification and meaning. It was purposely designed to be a clear and unmistakable symbol of Nazi glory and not to be confused with any other swastika from history.

Interestingly, the Nazi salute is entirely different. It is nothing but the Roman military salute, one empire adopting the symbolism of another. OK, attempted empire. It was even referred to as the Roman salute by the Germans.

I feel chastened by the wise people at PhotoBucket. Just think of the poor Nazis who are feeling humiliated right now because I called them an idiot. Why, I'm as thoughtless as President O'bomba when he casually killed that poor helpless fly during a filmed interview. He even appeared to enjoy it. At least I am in good company. I think I'll go away now to hate myself for awhile.... I am an insensitive, horrible person, MUCH worse than a Nazi. PhotoBucket proves it!