Scary stuff on the right

[LoBlo]

Originally Posted by August

Except that report, which was politically motivated and extremely controversial as I recall, doesn't actually say that the right wing is any more bigoted than the left wing

Its understood:

(U//LES) The DHS/Office of Intelligence and Analysis (I&A) has no specific information that domestic rightwing

* terrorists are currently planning acts of violence, but rightwing extremists may be gaining new recruits by playing on their fears about several emergent issues. The economic downturn and the election of the first African American president present unique drivers for rightwing radicalization and recruitment.

(U//LES) Threats from white supremacist and violent antigovernment groups during 2009 have been largely rhetorical and have not indicated plans to carry out violent acts. Nevertheless, the consequences of a prolonged economic downturn—including real estate foreclosures, unemployment, and an inability to obtain credit—could create a fertile recruiting environment for rightwing

extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups and government authorities similar to those in the past.
(U//LES) Rightwing extremists have capitalized on the election of the first African American president, and are focusing their efforts to recruit new members, mobilize existing supporters, and broaden their scope and appeal through propaganda, but they have not yet turned to attack planning.

The far right having more openly bigoted groups than the left is just common knowledge.

Is all this a revelation? Some things are just common knowledge, like the fact that Israel has nuclear weapons (no "proof", but everyone knows it), or that Iran's current regime suppresses women. (What! You mean that some Iranian women don't enjoy being garbed in mummy outfits in the middle of the desert! Prove it!). Some things are just understood.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

What did not happen with the last three democratic presidents?

' Acts of violence against abortion clinics and their employees have been carried out across the United States throughout the 1980s and 1990s.
There were 1,700 acts of violence against abortion providers between 1977 and 1994, with four people killed in 1994 and one in 1993, according to statistics from the National Abortion Federation. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has logged 167 attacks against abortion clinics over the past 15 years.
In 1984, there were 18 bombings against abortion clinics. In 1993, there were 78 death threats aimed at clinic employees. And, in 1996, bombings, threats and harassment affected about one-third of U.S. abortion clinics.'

The OK City Fed Bldg was bombed during the Clinton Administration. This has nothing to do with Obama and being black. Nothing new here. The only difference is these media folks are now accessible by email such as Shepard Smith. So, of course it seems more than normal when it really has not changed at all over the years.

I didn't say that right wing extremism didn't exist during previous democratic presidencies. Just that some of the increased rancor that Sheppard Smith is noting is the result of a core of far right bigotry responding to an African American president. Those groups can't handle seeing a president that doesn't look like they do, so there's a increased amount of visible/open hate coming from that sect.

[August]

Originally Posted by LoBlo

Its understood:

No it's not. One politically motivated report that uses terms like "may be" and "could create" is only "understood" by those who hope it to be so.

No offense but your common knowledge sounds more to me like left wing propaganda than anything else.

[Aramike]

Is all this a revelation? Some things are just common knowledge, like the fact that Israel has nuclear weapons (no "proof", but everyone knows it), or that Iran's current regime suppresses women. (What! You mean that some Iranian women don't enjoy being garbed in mummy outfits in the middle of the desert! Prove it!). Some things are just understood.

So you're saying that there's no proof the Israel has nuclear weapons, or that Iran suppresses woman?

Are you insane?

What do you consider proof? It seems as far as you're concerned, by your logic NOTHING has proof.

[Buddahaid]

Just a thought. As I see it, the biggest difference between current radical (left and right) events and past events, is the communications revolution. News and hype travel so much faster, and from so many smallvilles now, it appears to have grown exponentially. Try reading some newspapers from 1924. All the stories are very familiar regarding corrupt politicians, revolutions in banana republics, crimes of violence, bombings, etc.

Buddahaid

[heartc]

Originally Posted by Max2147

No. The argument here is that there has been a major increase in the far right going nuts.

What is happening though is that the media zooms in on a few far right-wing nutjobs and people (you) start blaming all the right for "not stepping up". Wait a minute, isn't that guilt by association I'm smelling here, just hidden behind an impossible appeal (change the mind of a lunatic)?

You know, next time a guy like Michael Moore releases some drivel so that public opinion about America here or across Europe goes all wonky and is more comparable to the streets of Teheran (though this might change), which in turn compromises US security in the long run and isn't a fun experience for those who have a problem with insanity, I will also think that all Democrats are traitors to their country because they didn't "step up" (and shot him or what?).

One politically motivated report

That report was complied under the last administration wasn't it.
So does that mean it was politically motivated by the republicans?

Iran suppresses woman

Of course they do, not as much as Saudi does though.
Both countries are extremely conservative in their politics, throw in some religious fundamentalism for good measure and what do we get ?
Religiously fundamentalist conservatives, that sounds like a good definition of right wing extremist doesn't it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Just a thought. As I see it, the biggest difference between current radical (left and right) events and past events, is the communications revolution. News and hype travel so much faster, and from so many smallvilles now, it appears to have grown exponentially. Try reading some newspapers from 1924. All the stories are very familiar regarding corrupt politicians, revolutions in banana republics, crimes of violence, bombings, etc.

Buddahaid

Good thought and I'm will to buy this idea that we certainly know more now from the electronic revolution than the old tin can and string method.

[AVGWarhawk]

What is happening though is that the media zooms in on a few far right-wing nutjobs and people (you) start blaming all the right for "not stepping up". Wait a minute, isn't that guilt by association I'm smelling here, just hidden behind an impossible appeal (change the mind of a lunatic)?

Certainly guilt by association is used in this instance. It is politically motivated. Good point. Tribesman asked if this report was made under the previous administration. No, it was done under the new head of DHS who was appointed by Obama.

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by heartc

What is happening though is that the media zooms in on a few far right-wing nutjobs and people (you) start blaming all the right for "not stepping up". Wait a minute, isn't that guilt by association I'm smelling here, just hidden behind an impossible appeal (change the mind of a lunatic)?

You know, next time a guy like Michael Moore releases some drivel so that public opinion about America here or across Europe goes all wonky and is more comparable to the streets of Teheran (though this might change), which in turn compromises US security in the long run and isn't a fun experience for those who have a problem with insanity, I will also think that all Democrats are traitors to their country because they didn't "step up" (and shot him or what?).

Did you read my initial post? I gave several examples of conservatives with balls who stood up against the madness.

It's not the media suddenly deciding to focus on right wing nutjobs, it's the media suddenly noticing right wing nutjobs because those nutjobs have become a lot more active in the past year or so. The point of Smith's talk wasn't to say "Fox News gets a lot of crazy mail," since I'm sure Fox News and every other network has always gotten their fair share of crazy mail. His point was that the amount of crazy mail has increased dramatically in the past year or so, and that the increase is what's scary.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Max2147

Did you read my initial post? I gave several examples of conservatives with balls who stood up against the madness.

It's not the media suddenly deciding to focus on right wing nutjobs, it's the media suddenly noticing right wing nutjobs because those nutjobs have become a lot more active in the past year or so. The point of Smith's talk wasn't to say "Fox News gets a lot of crazy mail," since I'm sure Fox News and every other network has always gotten their fair share of crazy mail. His point was that the amount of crazy mail has increased dramatically in the past year or so, and that the increase is what's scary.

I have to refer you to post #66. It is truly a communication revolution were every Tom, Dick and Harry can send emails. It does not mean more is happening. I could mean more are just find way to voice their discontent via email because they have a laptop now.

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I have to refer you to post #66. It is truly a communication revolution were every Tom, Dick and Harry can send emails. It does not mean more is happening. I could mean more are just find way to voice their discontent via email because they have a laptop now.

But that communications revolution happened way before early 2008.

[August]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

That report was complied under the last administration wasn't it.
So does that mean it was politically motivated by the republicans?

The report was published in April of this year Dude. Long after the Republicans had left office. You might try reading something before commenting on it.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Max2147

But that communications revolution happened way before early 2008.

Not in every bean town. You have to realize Bush was around for 8 years. That is a long time for every Tinytown to get online and up with the major metro centers. I know a lot are still on dial up and still need a converter box to get the now digital TV via their old rabbit ears. Just because you live in a advanced area for communication does not mean the rest of American is the same. The revolution has grown 100 fold in 8 years. A few of these crazy folk have figure it out.

[heartc]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Yeah not fair man. This kind of canard works only with muslims extremists, don't you ever learn something on your liberal media ? sheesh


(cue "this is different because" tune in 3... 2...)

I've never blamed all Muslims for the crimes committed by the radical Islamists. At some point I worked two jobs and one of my employers was Iranian and one of the best bosses I've ever worked with. Neither did I feel the need to ask him "Hey, btw, why don't you go and beat up Osama Bin Laden, since you're Muslim and all?"
Find another strawman or tell me I didn't ask that because I wanted to keep the job in 3...2...1...

The report was published in April of this year Dude.

So what.

You might try reading something before commenting on it.

Ah reading, lets see.....
I wrote about it being compiled and you came back with published. If you read that you should be able to see they are two different things.
But hey its old news, it doesn't take much of a memory to go back to the news a few months ago. After all the publication did make big news stories
If you can't manage the memory thing then how about a little headline to refresh your memory.

DHS 'Right Wing Extremists' Report Was Ordered by the Bush Administraion

Posted:
04/16/09

So the actual report was started on

January 23rd, 2007

which means for two years it was compiled under the last administration