Stop the Energy Tax Petition

SUBMAN1 · 06-08-09, 08:34 PM

http://www.americansolutions.com/tak...ion/index3.php

Some neat stuff that this bill will be responsible for:

Raise inflation-adjusted gasoline prices by 74 percent
Raise electricity rates 90 percent after adjusting for inflation
Raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year
Raise residential natural gas prices by 55 percent
Destroy 1-3 million jobs per year, every year until 2035

The middle of an economic recession is not a great place to raise the cost of living. Maybe they are looking for the needle to add to the haystack that will push us all over the edge.

-S

UnderseaLcpl · 06-08-09, 08:40 PM

I think you mean the "straw to the camel's back" or something.

SUBMAN1 · 06-08-09, 08:45 PM

Phrase it anyway you want! Yours is better. Brain is not functioning today (tired, allergies today, etc.), so I am relying on you to correct me!

Brain was thinking in the right direction though.

-S

UnderseaLcpl · 06-08-09, 10:09 PM

Well, it doesn't matter. I signed the petition. I'm against pretty much all taxes.

Aramike · 06-08-09, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

http://www.americansolutions.com/tak...ion/index3.php

Some neat stuff that this bill will be responsible for:

Raise inflation-adjusted gasoline prices by 74 percent
Raise electricity rates 90 percent after adjusting for inflation
Raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year
Raise residential natural gas prices by 55 percent
Destroy 1-3 million jobs per year, every year until 2035

The middle of an economic recession is not a great place to raise the cost of living. Maybe they are looking for the needle to add to the haystack that will push us all over the edge.

-S

I don't disagree that this tax is a bad idea. However, I am curious as to where you got these statistics from, as I highly doubt that this could honestly destroy 75 million jobs over 25 years, as that is just almost HALF of all current jobs.

Anyone proclaiming that is ridiculous, and risks credibility, thusly hurting their own cause.

Stealth Hunter · 06-09-09, 02:53 AM

It pays to question his sources, Mike. SUBMAN has a nasty habit of using biased sources and/or misrepresenting the statements of legitimate ones.

SteamWake · 06-09-09, 10:07 AM

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Job Loss the worst in 34 years

http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/06/news...uary/index.htm

But Im sure this is all Bush's fault somehow.

AVGWarhawk · 06-09-09, 10:18 AM

Whatever the case, people like Al Gore stand to make billions with this legislation. Raising any tax with todays economy is not a good thing...raising taxes at all is not a good thing. This cap and trade deal has smelled bad from day one and........watch Al Gore promote it like mad because he, again, stands to make billions.

Sailor Steve · 06-09-09, 01:39 PM

I'm in. Taxation should only ever be considered a necessary evil. Using taxation to balance social issues is defeating its very purpose.

SteamWake · 06-09-09, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Using taxation to balance social issues is defeating its very purpose.

But thats liberalisim 101

How dare you !

Aramike · 06-09-09, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

It pays to question his sources, Mike. SUBMAN has a nasty habit of using biased sources and/or misrepresenting the statements of legitimate ones.

Indeed, so I'm learning.

SUBMAN1 · 06-09-09, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

It pays to question his sources, Mike. SUBMAN has a nasty habit of using biased sources and/or misrepresenting the statements of legitimate ones.

Thats a pretty blanket statement and defamatory.

All my sources are always posted. You can find sources to sources from the link provided above if you bothered to look.

At least I provide links on this board when you never post any! You just give us your opinion which amounts to squat. Your entire posts in that regard are of a biased nature and misrepresenting of the facts.

-S

SUBMAN1 · 06-09-09, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

Indeed, so I'm learning.

ANd you should learn from your first mistake - not to believe Stealth Hunter. He has some weird agenda.

-S

PS. You are not accounting for population growth, which the US should double by the year 2050.

06-09-09, 08:37 PM

This sounds like a tax for living. Is that what it is? If so I wish my mother had done the right thing and aborted me.

That way we wouldn't have to worry about any of this non issues.

Aramike · 06-09-09, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

ANd you should learn from your first mistake - not to believe Stealth Hunter. He has some weird agenda.

-S

PS. You are not accounting for population growth, which the US should double by the year 2050.

Like I said, I'm wondering where you got the statistic from. Also, this has nothing to do with StealthHunter. You seem to have a tendency to give false statistics to support your claims. Although I don't neccessarily disagree with many of your views, I believe you hurt your causes (some of which are also mine) with distortions.

The bottom line is, if you're actually right, then you don't need to make things up to support your positions.

In any case, population growth doesn't neccessarily equate to job growth. If it did, it'd be impossible to lose 1-3 million jobs/year.

Again, this statistic is flawed. Please show where you got it from, and what it is based upon.

06-08-09, 08:34 PM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Stop the Energy Tax Petition http://www.americansolutions.com/tak...ion/index3.php Some neat stuff that this bill will be responsible for: Raise inflation-adjusted gasoline prices by 74 percent Raise electricity rates 90 percent after adjusting for inflation Raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year Raise residential natural gas prices by 55 percent Destroy 1-3 million jobs per year, every year until 2035 The middle of an economic recession is not a great place to raise the cost of living. Maybe they are looking for the needle to add to the haystack that will push us all over the edge. -S __________________

06-08-09, 08:40 PM	#2
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I think you mean the "straw to the camel's back" or something. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

06-08-09, 08:45 PM	#3
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Phrase it anyway you want! Yours is better. Brain is not functioning today (tired, allergies today, etc.), so I am relying on you to correct me! Brain was thinking in the right direction though. -S __________________

06-08-09, 10:09 PM	#4
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Well, it doesn't matter. I signed the petition. I'm against pretty much all taxes. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

06-09-09, 10:18 AM	#8
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,257 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Whatever the case, people like Al Gore stand to make billions with this legislation. Raising any tax with todays economy is not a good thing...raising taxes at all is not a good thing. This cap and trade deal has smelled bad from day one and........watch Al Gore promote it like mad because he, again, stands to make billions. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

06-09-09, 02:53 AM	#6
Stealth Hunter Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Y'ha-Nthlei Posts: 4,262 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	It pays to question his sources, Mike. SUBMAN has a nasty habit of using biased sources and/or misrepresenting the statements of legitimate ones.

06-09-09, 01:39 PM	#9
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	I'm in. Taxation should only ever be considered a necessary evil. Using taxation to balance social issues is defeating its very purpose. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-09-09, 08:37 PM	#14
CastleBravo Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	This sounds like a tax for living. Is that what it is? If so I wish my mother had done the right thing and aborted me. That way we wouldn't have to worry about any of this non issues.