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SUBMAN1 06-08-09 08:34 PM

Stop the Energy Tax Petition
 
http://www.americansolutions.com/tak...ion/index3.php

Some neat stuff that this bill will be responsible for:
  1. Raise inflation-adjusted gasoline prices by 74 percent
  2. Raise electricity rates 90 percent after adjusting for inflation
  3. Raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year
  4. Raise residential natural gas prices by 55 percent
  5. Destroy 1-3 million jobs per year, every year until 2035
The middle of an economic recession is not a great place to raise the cost of living. Maybe they are looking for the needle to add to the haystack that will push us all over the edge.

-S

UnderseaLcpl 06-08-09 08:40 PM

I think you mean the "straw to the camel's back" or something.:DL

SUBMAN1 06-08-09 08:45 PM

Phrase it anyway you want! Yours is better. Brain is not functioning today (tired, allergies today, etc.), so I am relying on you to correct me! :D Brain was thinking in the right direction though.

-S

UnderseaLcpl 06-08-09 10:09 PM

Well, it doesn't matter. I signed the petition. I'm against pretty much all taxes.

Aramike 06-08-09 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1 (Post 1114535)
http://www.americansolutions.com/tak...ion/index3.php

Some neat stuff that this bill will be responsible for:
  1. Raise inflation-adjusted gasoline prices by 74 percent
  2. Raise electricity rates 90 percent after adjusting for inflation
  3. Raise the cost of living of a typical household by $1,600 a year
  4. Raise residential natural gas prices by 55 percent
  5. Destroy 1-3 million jobs per year, every year until 2035
The middle of an economic recession is not a great place to raise the cost of living. Maybe they are looking for the needle to add to the haystack that will push us all over the edge.

-S

I don't disagree that this tax is a bad idea. However, I am curious as to where you got these statistics from, as I highly doubt that this could honestly destroy 75 million jobs over 25 years, as that is just almost HALF of all current jobs.

Anyone proclaiming that is ridiculous, and risks credibility, thusly hurting their own cause.

Stealth Hunter 06-09-09 02:53 AM

It pays to question his sources, Mike. SUBMAN has a nasty habit of using biased sources and/or misrepresenting the statements of legitimate ones.

SteamWake 06-09-09 10:07 AM

Quote:

Job Loss the worst in 34 years
http://money.cnn.com/2009/02/06/news...uary/index.htm

But Im sure this is all Bush's fault somehow.

AVGWarhawk 06-09-09 10:18 AM

Whatever the case, people like Al Gore stand to make billions with this legislation. Raising any tax with todays economy is not a good thing...raising taxes at all is not a good thing. This cap and trade deal has smelled bad from day one and........watch Al Gore promote it like mad because he, again, stands to make billions.

Sailor Steve 06-09-09 01:39 PM

I'm in. Taxation should only ever be considered a necessary evil. Using taxation to balance social issues is defeating its very purpose.

SteamWake 06-09-09 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve (Post 1114864)
Using taxation to balance social issues is defeating its very purpose.

But thats liberalisim 101 :nope:

How dare you !

Aramike 06-09-09 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter (Post 1114620)
It pays to question his sources, Mike. SUBMAN has a nasty habit of using biased sources and/or misrepresenting the statements of legitimate ones.

Indeed, so I'm learning. :nope:

SUBMAN1 06-09-09 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter (Post 1114620)
It pays to question his sources, Mike. SUBMAN has a nasty habit of using biased sources and/or misrepresenting the statements of legitimate ones.

Thats a pretty blanket statement and defamatory.

All my sources are always posted. You can find sources to sources from the link provided above if you bothered to look.

At least I provide links on this board when you never post any! You just give us your opinion which amounts to squat. Your entire posts in that regard are of a biased nature and misrepresenting of the facts.

-S

SUBMAN1 06-09-09 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aramike (Post 1115042)
Indeed, so I'm learning. :nope:

ANd you should learn from your first mistake - not to believe Stealth Hunter. He has some weird agenda.

-S

PS. You are not accounting for population growth, which the US should double by the year 2050.

CastleBravo 06-09-09 08:37 PM

This sounds like a tax for living. Is that what it is? If so I wish my mother had done the right thing and aborted me.

That way we wouldn't have to worry about any of this non issues.

Aramike 06-09-09 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1 (Post 1115063)
ANd you should learn from your first mistake - not to believe Stealth Hunter. He has some weird agenda.

-S

PS. You are not accounting for population growth, which the US should double by the year 2050.

Like I said, I'm wondering where you got the statistic from. Also, this has nothing to do with StealthHunter. You seem to have a tendency to give false statistics to support your claims. Although I don't neccessarily disagree with many of your views, I believe you hurt your causes (some of which are also mine) with distortions.

The bottom line is, if you're actually right, then you don't need to make things up to support your positions.

In any case, population growth doesn't neccessarily equate to job growth. If it did, it'd be impossible to lose 1-3 million jobs/year.

Again, this statistic is flawed. Please show where you got it from, and what it is based upon.


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