Pot calling Kettle black!

[Kapitan_Phillips]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Yes, it is like the man who sued Hooters because, well , the name of the restaurant is after all Hooters and they did not hire men. If I go to Hooters I want to see, well, hooters. Not some guy named Biff.

HEY MCFLY!! YOU READY TO ORDER?!

[GoldenRivet]

as someone who understands religion based schooling pretty well, i would say that since their curriculum is "faith based" it is their responsibility and their right to hire individuals who they feel would best support the curriculum.

If for example a flight instructor applied for a position at my flight school and due to religious reasons he insists that airplanes fly because of some invisible God powered magic... i would be compelled NOT to hire him because it does not support the standard curriculum for my school.

I seriously doubt a Muslim faith based school would hire a Christian teacher... perhaps a christian receptionist or janitorial staff... but NOT a teacher.

This lady is just trying to stir the pot.

Yea... see ... thats what happens when you appoach the subject with the view point that the buisness are beholding to the goverment and not the other way around.

Well perhaps you had better rip up your constitution , have a nice little revolution and draw up a new constitution then .

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Well perhaps you had better rip up your constitution , have a nice little revolution and draw up a new constitution then .

The consitution specifically states that goverment should not intervene in private buisness.

Its the politicos tearing up the constitution not its citizens. Unfortunatly a large part of the population doesent realize this.

[Kapt Z]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

as someone who understands religion based schooling pretty well, i would say that since their curriculum is "faith based" it is their responsibility and their right to hire individuals who they feel would best support the curriculum.

If for example a flight instructor applied for a position at my flight school and due to religious reasons he insists that airplanes fly because of some invisible God powered magic... i would be compelled NOT to hire him because it does not support the standard curriculum for my school.

I seriously doubt a Muslim faith based school would hire a Christian teacher... perhaps a christian receptionist or janitorial staff... but NOT a teacher.

This lady is just trying to stir the pot.

GR, I can tell you I have NO experience with 'faith based' education. That being said, again tell my how her personal faith should matter if she is teaching Math? Will 1+1=3 if she is wearing a head scarf? If it does to her then she can be rejected because she is incompetent not because she is Muslim. I assume she felt SHE had no problem with the school being Christian and so as long as she didn't quote the Koran during a algebra exam I don't know why anyone would have a problem.

Now if the real problem is the parents and the adminstrators just don't want the students exposed to someone who looks different, dresses different, worships different......

Well, that's a shame.

[Kapt Z]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

The consitution specifically states that goverment should not intervene in private buisness.

until they're begged to.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Kapt Z

as long as she didn't quote the Koran during a algebra exam

There is the problem exactly... you reached it through your own deductive reasoning - you're lucky - most folks dont have this ability

this is the problem exactly.

its NOT that her faith will change the outcome of a math problem... parents enroll their children into faith based campuses because they want their children to grow up in a Christian community, honoring christian values etc etc. much for the same reason that Muslims enroll their children into muslim schools, and Nazis enroll their children into Hitler Youth camps etc etc

nothing necessarily wrong with Muslim values i dont guess - but if a parent wants to spend several thousand dollars funding a private education for their own children so that they can grow up surrounded by members of the community which share the same ideals as the family does - so be it... they dont want this educator spouting off about how the one true God is Allah... or Bathsheba or Buda or the flying spaghetti monster etc etc

and there is the reason she was rejected for the job.

if i want my children to grow up in an environment which reinforces the ideals of my familiy or my familie's scocial circle, i dont want anyone who is likley to try and turn my children away from those values being placed in charge of even one small segment of their overall education.

sounds closed minded perhaps - but children have been raised this way since the first birth on this planet.

might this woman teach math - without bias toward religion one way or another?

maybe

is the school willing to bet tuition money on it?

no

[Max2147]

I go to a Christian university, and my school actively seeks professors of other faiths. They believe that a broader perspective helps the Christian students understand their faith better, and it makes non-Christian students (like me) feel more comfortable. I think they're exactly right.

If all you hear in life is a repetition of your own views, you learn nothing. You need to hear a variety of voices to better understand your own views.

Did this school have a right to reject this woman? Absolutely. But just because you have the right to do something doesn't make it the right thing to do. The school is harming themselves and their students.

And be careful with Constitutional arguments on this one, since Australia's Constitution isn't the same as the American one.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Kapt Z

until they're begged to.

Or its rammed down their throat.

but if a parent wants to spend several thousand dollars funding a private education for their own children so that they can grow up surrounded by members of the community which share the same ideals as the family does - so be it...

The problem there is that the business in question is state funded and recieves additional financial concessions from the state .
Since independant schools and similar business operations are allowed under law to have certain limited discriminatory policies the whole case will revolve around one issue .
Which is , at what stage was the womans faith the reason she didn't get the job , if it is shown it was the first and primary reason then the school is screwed , however if it is shown that she was exactly matched in qualifications to another candidate and the permitted limited discrimination was used as the final decider then she loses the case .
We had similar issues up in Dublin last september , the scope of the limits of discriminatory practice in education .

The consitution specifically states that goverment should not intervene in private buisness.

The constitution states that the government makes the rules for business .

Its the politicos tearing up the constitution not its citizens. Unfortunatly a large part of the population doesent realize this.

The problem is that some people go on about how great the constitution is in regards to the application of an article they like , but when it comes to the application of an article they don't like they rant about it .

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

The constitution states that the government makes the rules for business .

That's interstate business.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

The problem there is that the business in question is state funded and recieves additional financial concessions from the state .
Since independant schools and similar business operations are allowed under law to have certain limited discriminatory policies the whole case will revolve around one issue .
Which is , at what stage was the womans faith the reason she didn't get the job , if it is shown it was the first and primary reason then the school is screwed , however if it is shown that she was exactly matched in qualifications to another candidate and the permitted limited discrimination was used as the final decider then she loses the case .
We had similar issues up in Dublin last september , the scope of the limits of discriminatory practice in education .


The constitution states that the government makes the rules for business .

The problem is that some people go on about how great the constitution is in regards to the application of an article they like , but when it comes to the application of an article they don't like they rant about it .

these kinds of discriminatory cases arise all the time though.

who's to say that a more qualified or more experienced person didn't apply for the job?

That's interstate business.

Yeah , and the cases during the civil rights thing showed that even local business is interstate business . Plus of course you have the other rulings that local business practice can fall under the protectionism thing which is against the interests of interstate business .
So unless you are one of those inbred shopkeepers from Royston Vasey they have you covered .

who's to say that a more qualified or more experienced person didn't apply for the job?

Errr...that would be the court wouldn't it , where the school will have to show that they chose a better candidate .

[Kapt Z]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

they dont want this educator spouting off about how the one true God is Allah... or Bathsheba or Buda or the flying spaghetti monster etc etc

and there is the reason she was rejected for the job.

Here shows again my ignorance of 'faith based' education....

So it would be expected that the Christian math teacher would spout off about the Father, Son and Holy Ghost during a algebra lesson??? Even at a Christian school? Is that what happens???

I didn't see anything in the article about her wanting to convert anybody or that she was applying to teach Bible study classes. If either had been mentioned I would have sided with the school. It just did seem a shame that the possibility of her mere presence at the school, teaching secular subjects, was cause for such handwringing.

[Kapt Z]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Or its rammed down their throat.

I might have missed it, but I don't think I've heard any company getting federal aid say, "Nah, Mr President. Don't bail us out. We'll just fail thank you."