Current gun legislation in Congress

SUBMAN1 · 03-18-09, 09:05 PM

Reading up on this stuff tonight. Figured I'd share:

-S

H.R. 17, H.R. 45, H.R. 197, H.R. 257, H.R. 442 & H.R. 495

H.R. 17 (Bartlett): This bill would reaffirm the right to use firearms for self-defense and for defense of one’s home and family.

H.R. 45 (Rush): This bill would require a license for handguns and semiautomatics, including those currently possessed. The applicant must be thumbprinted and sign a certification that, effectively, the firearm will not be kept in a place where it would be available for the defense of the gun owner’s family. The applicant must also make available ALL of his psychiatric records, pass an exam, and pay a fee of up to $25. The license may be renewed after five years and may be revoked. Private sales would be outlawed, and reports to the attorney general of all transactions would be required, even when, as the bill allows, the AG determines that a state licensing system is sufficiently draconian to substitute for the federal license. With virtually no exceptions, ALL firearms transactions (involving semiautos, handguns, long guns, etc.) would be subject to a Brady check. In addition, the bill would make it unlawful in nearly all cases to keep any loaded firearm for self-defense. A variety of “crimes by omission” (such as failure to report certain things) would be created. Criminal penalties of up to ten years and almost unlimited regulatory and inspection authority would be established.

H.R. 197 (Stearns): This bill would establish national standards for concealed carry reciprocity, but would not protect residents of pro-gun states like Vermont and Alaska which do not require paper permits.

H.R. 257 (Jackson Lee): This bill would take the already Byzantine restrictions on teaching your kids the responsible use of firearms and extend them from handguns to semi-autos; increase the age of applicability from 18 to 21; and increase potential penalties to up to 10 years in prison.
In addition, the bill prohibits unaccompanied minors from gun shows, and subjects parents to up to 3 years in prison for keeping an unloaded gun (with ammunition in the vicinity) if a jury finds that they disregarded a risk, that a kid (including a burglar) would get a hold of the gun and the unauthorized user causes injury. This provision effectively eliminates having guns available for self defense.

H.R. 442 (Rehberg): This bill would provide amnesty for a veteran who acquired a “souvenir” (such as a machine gun) while serving overseas, so long as it is registered during a 90-day grace period.

H.R. 495 (Rodriguez, Teague, Engel, Reyes): This bill would authorize $15,000,000 for two years to the BATFE for the purpose of enhancing its project to thwart the transportation of firearms across the Mexican border.

H.R. 1074 (Scalise): This bill would allow for the interstate sale of firearms, provided that the laws of the State in which the transfer is conducted and the State of residence of the transferee are complied with, in addition to federal law.

FIREWALL · 03-18-09, 09:13 PM

Are you like that guy on "Twilight zone" with the thick glasses looking up statistics all the time that became 3 ft. tall ?

Do you spend all your time looking up this stuff.

I honestly don't mean to insult you as I enjoy some of your finds.

But.... Is this all you do here at SubSim ?

UnderseaLcpl · 03-18-09, 09:30 PM

Seems to me that looking up the record of resolutions and bills in congress and discussing them is something we (as a nation) could use a great deal more of.

It isn't as if Sub has to devote an inordinate amount of time to finding things like this, either. He's probably subscribed to newsletters, and it isn't difficult to look up congressional records. It might take twenty minutes to find this kind of information every day if you do it right. I waste more time than that just sailing out of Lorient every day.

August · 03-18-09, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Seems to me that looking up the record of resolutions and bills in congress and discussing them is something we (as a nation) could use a great deal more of.

It isn't as if Sub has to devote an inordinate amount of time to finding things like this, either. He's probably subscribed to newsletters, and it isn't difficult to look up congressional records. It might take twenty minutes to find this kind of information every day if you do it right. I waste more time than that just sailing out of Lorient every day.

20 minutes? More like 20 seconds to read a newsletter or website that has done the work for him. I get that stuff from the NRA all the time.

GoldenRivet · 03-18-09, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Are you like that guy on "Twilight zone" with the thick glasses looking up statistics all the time that became 3 ft. tall ?

oooh thats a good episode

SUBMAN1 · 03-20-09, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

oooh thats a good episode

I must have missed that one. I did watch one the other day about an airliner (707) going back in time though. I will actually watch an episode on occasion on a second monitor while I'm doing other things.

-S

sharkbit · 03-20-09, 02:26 PM

I'm don't own a gun but that H.R. 45 scares the hell outta me!

Digital_Trucker · 03-20-09, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by sharkbit

I'm don't own a gun but that H.R. 45 scares the hell outta me!

Rightfully so.

Why should it be illegal to keep a firearm to protect ones home?

Kapt Z · 03-20-09, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

Rightfully so.

Why should it be illegal to keep a firearm to protect ones home?

They're trying to legislate away accidents. Just like helmet laws, cell phone use while driving....

Too many stories in the news about little Bobby finding Daddy's 9mm and accidentally blowing little Judy's head off.

I have my gun locked up so tight I would have to offer a intruder coffee and a donut while he waited for me to get it out. More chance in swinging one of my wife's pumps at him.

Digital_Trucker · 03-20-09, 09:52 PM

No, wait, throwing shoes will soon be illegal also

And while they try to legislate away the gun accidents, thousands upon thousands are killed by drunk drivers (who they haven't been able to legislate away), cell phone talking drivers (who they haven't been able to legislate away), idiots who just plain don't know how to drive (who they haven't been able to legislate away), muggers (who they haven't been able to legislate away), home invaders (who they haven't been able to legislate away), rapists (who they haven't been able to legislate away), Al Gore (who they haven't been able to legislate away), etc., etc. ad nauseum (I think you see where I'm headed with this).

If they were to legislate away everything that could possibly harm us, nothing would exist (including us and them). Where does it end? (rhetorical question, admittedly with no answer).

Sea Demon · 03-20-09, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

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And while they try to legislate away the gun accidents, thousands upon thousands are killed by drunk drivers (who they haven't been able to legislate away),

Don't give em' any ideas. Shhhh.

Kapt Z · 03-21-09, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Digital_Trucker

No, wait, throwing shoes will soon be illegal also

And while they try to legislate away the gun accidents, thousands upon thousands are killed by drunk drivers (who they haven't been able to legislate away), cell phone talking drivers (who they haven't been able to legislate away), idiots who just plain don't know how to drive (who they haven't been able to legislate away), muggers (who they haven't been able to legislate away), home invaders (who they haven't been able to legislate away), rapists (who they haven't been able to legislate away), Al Gore (who they haven't been able to legislate away), etc., etc. ad nauseum (I think you see where I'm headed with this).

If they were to legislate away everything that could possibly harm us, nothing would exist (including us and them). Where does it end? (rhetorical question, admittedly with no answer).

My wife's pumps are definately deadly weapons, but boy does she look good in them.

I agree you cannot legislate risk out of life. It's a natural reaction though. You hear cries for new laws everytime something bad happens.

I would cut through all the lawyer speak and just frame the law this way-

'You can have a gun in your home for self defense, but if you leave it out, loaded, someone other than you finds it and then happens to kill himself or someone else with it. You are going to be in deep s***t."

August · 03-21-09, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z

My wife's pumps are definately deadly weapons, but boy does she look good in them.

Don't be a tease. Post pics.

Sailor Steve · 03-21-09, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kapt Z

I have my gun locked up so tight I would have to offer a intruder coffee and a donut while he waited for me to get it out.

I have a friend who took just the opposite tack. He kept his guns hidden where the kids couldn't reach them, but he could. When they were old enough, he took them shooting, taught them what's what and how dangerous they could be if not use properly, and that proper use required ready access. They are all three grown, never had an accident, never showd the guns to any friends and all still know what's what.

Kapt Z · 03-21-09, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by August

Don't be a tease. Post pics.

Let's see-

Post her pics....?

or stay married.....?

tease I'll have to be.

03-18-09, 09:05 PM	#1
SUBMAN1 Rear Admiral Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 11,866 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Current gun legislation in Congress Reading up on this stuff tonight. Figured I'd share: -S H.R. 17, H.R. 45, H.R. 197, H.R. 257, H.R. 442 & H.R. 495 H.R. 17 (Bartlett): This bill would reaffirm the right to use firearms for self-defense and for defense of one’s home and family. H.R. 45 (Rush): This bill would require a license for handguns and semiautomatics, including those currently possessed. The applicant must be thumbprinted and sign a certification that, effectively, the firearm will not be kept in a place where it would be available for the defense of the gun owner’s family. The applicant must also make available ALL of his psychiatric records, pass an exam, and pay a fee of up to $25. The license may be renewed after five years and may be revoked. Private sales would be outlawed, and reports to the attorney general of all transactions would be required, even when, as the bill allows, the AG determines that a state licensing system is sufficiently draconian to substitute for the federal license. With virtually no exceptions, ALL firearms transactions (involving semiautos, handguns, long guns, etc.) would be subject to a Brady check. In addition, the bill would make it unlawful in nearly all cases to keep any loaded firearm for self-defense. A variety of “crimes by omission” (such as failure to report certain things) would be created. Criminal penalties of up to ten years and almost unlimited regulatory and inspection authority would be established. H.R. 197 (Stearns): This bill would establish national standards for concealed carry reciprocity, but would not protect residents of pro-gun states like Vermont and Alaska which do not require paper permits. H.R. 257 (Jackson Lee): This bill would take the already Byzantine restrictions on teaching your kids the responsible use of firearms and extend them from handguns to semi-autos; increase the age of applicability from 18 to 21; and increase potential penalties to up to 10 years in prison. In addition, the bill prohibits unaccompanied minors from gun shows, and subjects parents to up to 3 years in prison for keeping an unloaded gun (with ammunition in the vicinity) if a jury finds that they disregarded a risk, that a kid (including a burglar) would get a hold of the gun and the unauthorized user causes injury. This provision effectively eliminates having guns available for self defense. H.R. 442 (Rehberg): This bill would provide amnesty for a veteran who acquired a “souvenir” (such as a machine gun) while serving overseas, so long as it is registered during a 90-day grace period. H.R. 495 (Rodriguez, Teague, Engel, Reyes): This bill would authorize $15,000,000 for two years to the BATFE for the purpose of enhancing its project to thwart the transportation of firearms across the Mexican border. H.R. 1074 (Scalise): This bill would allow for the interstate sale of firearms, provided that the laws of the State in which the transfer is conducted and the State of residence of the transferee are complied with, in addition to federal law. __________________

03-18-09, 09:13 PM	#2
FIREWALL Eternal Patrol Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: CATALINA IS. SO . CAL USA Posts: 10,108 Downloads: 511 Uploads: 0	Are you like that guy on "Twilight zone" with the thick glasses looking up statistics all the time that became 3 ft. tall ? Do you spend all your time looking up this stuff. I honestly don't mean to insult you as I enjoy some of your finds. But.... Is this all you do here at SubSim ? __________________ RIP FIREWALL I Play GWX. Silent Hunter Who ???

03-18-09, 09:30 PM	#3
UnderseaLcpl Silent Hunter Join Date: May 2008 Location: Storming the beaches! Posts: 4,254 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Seems to me that looking up the record of resolutions and bills in congress and discussing them is something we (as a nation) could use a great deal more of. It isn't as if Sub has to devote an inordinate amount of time to finding things like this, either. He's probably subscribed to newsletters, and it isn't difficult to look up congressional records. It might take twenty minutes to find this kind of information every day if you do it right. I waste more time than that just sailing out of Lorient every day. __________________ I stole this sig from Task Force

03-20-09, 02:26 PM	#7
sharkbit The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 1,529 Downloads: 334 Uploads: 0	I'm don't own a gun but that H.R. 45 scares the hell outta me! __________________ “Prejudice is blind. There will always be someone who says you aren’t welcome at the table. Stop apologizing for who you are and using all your energy trying to change their minds. Yes, you will lose friends, maybe even family. But you will gain your self-respect. You will know your worth. Once you have that, nothing can stop you.”

03-20-09, 09:52 PM	#10
Digital_Trucker Silent Hunter Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Peach State Posts: 4,171 Downloads: 141 Uploads: 10	No, wait, throwing shoes will soon be illegal also And while they try to legislate away the gun accidents, thousands upon thousands are killed by drunk drivers (who they haven't been able to legislate away), cell phone talking drivers (who they haven't been able to legislate away), idiots who just plain don't know how to drive (who they haven't been able to legislate away), muggers (who they haven't been able to legislate away), home invaders (who they haven't been able to legislate away), rapists (who they haven't been able to legislate away), Al Gore (who they haven't been able to legislate away), etc., etc. ad nauseum (I think you see where I'm headed with this). If they were to legislate away everything that could possibly harm us, nothing would exist (including us and them). Where does it end? (rhetorical question, admittedly with no answer). __________________ RSM-GIEP-Killflags-LV Tribute-Playable Elco __Peace be with you, Dave.