Boeing 737-800 of Turkish Airways crashed near Schiphol Airport

[HunterICX]

It has taken the whole News broadcast this day, horrible accident.

so far 9 Death, 80 wounded.

some links about the accident:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/eu...dam/index.html
http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archive...n_schiphol.php

HunterICX

[Schroeder]

That could have gone way worse.
I wonder what happened. Since it didn't go up in flames maybe it was out of fuel...

[Enigma]

[Max2147]

Here are some eyewitness accounts: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7910372.stm

It sounds like it just dropped out of the sky on final approach. One eyewitness said that it was very nose-high when it hit the ground, and a survivor said the plane dropped quickly and suddenly, like they were in turbulence or just fell into a void. To me that sounds like a stall or windshear, but the latter is unlikely because there wasn't any wind.

Either way, the survivors are very lucky. The plane came down with wings level and the tail down in a soft, open, level field. Without any of those factors, it would have been a lot worse. Still, it's tragic that there were fatalities.

[SteamWake]

A horrible accident, it does sound like a stall though typically the nose drops in a stall.

The fact that the majority survived is a miracle.

[Schroeder]

I don't think it was a stall. The computers on modern jets won't allow you to do maneuvers that would get you into a stall IIRC.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

I don't think it was a stall. The computers on modern jets won't allow you to do maneuvers that would get you into a stall IIRC.

Dont tell me this is another fly by wire snafu.

[Enigma]

I don't think it was a stall. The computers on modern jets won't allow you to do maneuvers that would get you into a stall IIRC.

It actually is possible to stall a 737....Heres an example of an accident report of a 737 crash in 2000...

PROBABLE CAUSE: "The cause of the accident was loss of control of the aircraft due Human Error (air crew). The crew had not followed the correct approach procedure, which resulted in the aircraft being high on approach. They had kept the engines at idle thrust and allowed the air speed to reduce to a lower than normally permissible value on approach. They then maneuvered the aircraft with high pitch attitude and executed rapid roll reversals. This resulted in actuation of the stick shaker stall warning indicating an approaching stall. At this stage, the crew initiated a Go Around procedure instead of Approach to Stall Recovery procedure resulting in an actual stall of the aircraft, loss of control and subsequent impact with the ground."

No idea why everything is in italics. Sorry.

[Max2147]

The Dutch authorities are saying there may have been an engine failure. That would have certainly been enough to cause an undershoot.

However, it strikes me as a bit odd, since none of the eyewitnesses I read about mentioned the plane losing power. In the British Airways 777 incident and the Hudson River landing, everybody immediately knew it was engine failure.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Max2147

The Dutch authorities are saying there may have been an engine failure. That would have certainly been enough to cause an undershoot.

However, it strikes me as a bit odd, since none of the eyewitnesses I read about mentioned the plane losing power. In the British Airways 777 incident and the Hudson River landing, everybody immediately knew it was engine failure.

Yea but they were americans....

[Digital_Trucker]

According to this, the passengers noticed the lack of engine noise as it descended and that the engines did stall.