GWX3.0 Gold Star Shells

[Stew U-582]

Sorry I may not have explained verry well.

The editing procedure I outlined earlier will work on any version or mod as long
as you edit your own current instalation of " Baic & Menu " files.
Ive uploaded my edited versions specifically to enable people find &to compare
just the edited sections with their files. I am not 100% sure but
I imagine OLC Gold & GWX3.0 has modifications allready applied to these two files.
Its allso possible that other mods im using have changed other parts of these two files.
Basically dont download my filefront " Basic & Menu" files and use them to replace
your own. It may only work if you have exactly the same install as myself.
The reason for this is I never intended this to be a release of any sort and I only
supplied my data because I couldnt remember exactly what I had changed and
somebody requested a look at the sections I changed.
If anbody wants to go through the sections line by line and document the changes
and make a mod from it they are wellcome as ive provided the material to do so.

hope that makes sence

Stew

[NGT]

@Stew U-582

Sorry for the delay

Finally, I am online: Thank you for the answer from 9 Feb. 2009.

It was useful. Now I have SS shells.

[FIREWALL]

Jimbuna made 2 deckgun mods for 3.0 Gold to give a choice.

Sailor Steve imho is a library of information and he not saying yes or no.

I'm sure they had flare guns and, with the constraints of the game this is the only alternative.


SOooo... If you or anyone else has a mod to contribute by all means do so.

You need no one's vote or permission.

[Sailor Steve]

Actually I am saying no, but with reservations. I was out of library time and didn't get to qualify. Naval Weapons Of World War Two, by John Campbell, is the main source for all such questions, and under the 8.8cm and 10.5cm guns he says "Illuminating and Armor Piercing for destroyers and minesweepers", which is not absolute but does certainly indicate that they weren't used by submarines. That is what led to them being left out of GWX in the first place.

Secondly, while I can see having some starshells to light up the night, each one carried is one less round that could be used for sinking a ship. As for AP, what would a sub use it for? Destroyers? Destroyers carried no armor at all, except for a small amount on the turret faces. The smallest armored ship is a light cruiser, and if you want to take on eight-to-twelve 6" guns with your single 3.46" gun, then I guess you might need some.

All that having been said,

Originally Posted by RoaldLarsen

What I have not yet seen is any evidence that u-boats never carried SS or AP. This evidence could be in the form of:
- an exhaustive study of all loading manifests
- an order prohibiting u-boats from carrying SS or AP
- a technical manual giving reasons why AP or SS could not be used in a u-boat
- etc.
Nor have I seen any evidence that u-boats ever did carry SS or AP.

We can agree that at best SS and AP were rarely used. However, rarity of use doesn't prevent the game from providing us with Falke torpedoes, which as far as I can tell were only used operationally in three boats on one patrol each.

That is also true, especially the part about needing to see every single armorer's report to be absolutely certain, and that there is no proof that they never did.

It's good to have choices in the game, and while it's fun to argue fine points it's also true that we do a lot of other things they couldn't (I always joke about external views whenever anybody wants to make a better sea floor, but I use the externaly view myself).

So yeah, I'll argue that I'm pretty sure they didn't carry those types of shells, but even if I knew it for a fact I'd still say it's wrong, but it should be a choice for the player to make.