Ronald Reagan speaks out against Socialist Healthcare

[Sea Demon]

Very good link. We've been down this road before. Ronald Reagan argued against this disaster in waiting long ago. These ideas of the left are ruinous and downright foolish. Totally incompatible with a free nation. Reagan breaks it down well in this clip:

[SteamWake]

Meh save your breath.

They held Regan in the same regard as Bush... Stupid and un-informed.

Its amazing how many of Regan's principals still hold relevance in contemporary times.

[rubenandthejets]

Have either of you seen anything by Michael Moore?

[Morts]

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: What a load of c***

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by rubenandthejets

Have either of you seen anything by Michael Moore?

Michael Moore the economist?

[AntEater]

Funny is that during the time he held that speech, all of the free world except the US of A had (and still has) a "socialist healthcare" system.
Such totalitarian countries as West Germany or France or something.
Even Britain still has the NHS.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by rubenandthejets

Have either of you seen anything by Michael Moore?

Yes, and when his Socialized medicine was proven wrong, such as it pointed out that he was taken to not only the best hospitals in Canada (most are really run down compared to ours, and even my simple things like diapers for my sister in laws baby - she had to provide for example herself - they gave her only 1!) and he went to the only hospital with an upper class wing for the elites of Cuba, not the real cockroach filled hospitals that really exist, he still said Socialized medicine is the best and buried his head in the sand.

I see healthcare from both sides of the border - Canadian and the US and the Canadian side plain sucks and is understaffed, and run down dumps. Did i mention it taxes the hell out of them too? My father in law paid approximately 60% of his wage to taxes over there. Here, we complain if we get into the mid to upper 20's.


Socialized healthcare ultimately ends up to a case where you can't even find enough doctors to take care of the people. My mother-in-law in Canada recently died of cancer and in the US, I'm beginning to think she would have survived. One damn doctor to service a number of patients that would make your eyeballs pop out of you head. He had enough time for maybe 5 minutes with a patient. Nice system you guys got up there.

My stop uncle can hardly walk, and even though it is considered critical that he have the surgery, he has to wait 3 years for surgery unless he pays for it himself. This is another case of lack of resources.

5 months sometimes to see a Primary Care doctor? Crap, your cold is over by that time. I have an endless list.

-S

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Yes, and when his Socialized medicine was proven wrong, such as it pointed out that he was taken to not only the best hospitals in Canada (most are really run down compared to ours, and even my simple things like diapers for my sister in laws baby - she had to provide for example herself - they gave her only 1!) and he went to the only hospital with an upper class wing for the elites of Cuba, not the real cockroach filled hospitals that really exist, he still said Socialized medicine is the best and buried his head in the sand.

I see healthcare from both sides of the border - Canadian and the US and the Canadian side plain sucks and is understaffed, and run down dumps. Did i mention it taxes the hell out of them too? My father in law paid approximately 60% of his wage to taxes over there. Here, we complain if we get into the mid to upper 20's.


Socialized healthcare ultimately ends up to a case where you can't even find enough doctors to take care of the people. My mother-in-law in Canada recently died of cancer and in the US, I'm beginning to think she would have survived. One damn doctor to service a number of patients that would make your eyeballs pop out of you head. He had enough time for maybe 5 minutes with a patient. Nice system you guys got up there.

My stop uncle can hardly walk, and even though it is considered critical that he have the surgery, he has to wait 3 years for surgery unless he pays for it himself. This is another case of lack of resources.

5 months sometimes to see a Primary Care doctor? Crap, your cold is over by that time. I have an endless list.

-S

Right on!
When I had my laser eye surgery last year, from diagnosis to surgery, my wait time???? 2 days And this is at a very busy eye clinic.

The only thing that pisses me off, if you don't have insurance, insulin (top of the line though ) is damn near $100/ a bottle. But I still take my quality over quantity anyday.

[SteamWake]

Micheal Moore

No but I did stay at a holiday inn

Seen "American Carol" ?

[AntEater]

Sorry, but I don't see anything socialist in a mandatory public healthcare system.
The only problem seems to be that the US version of it is ill concieved and inefficient.
I mean 90% of all democracies on this planet have such a system.
Ranging from traditionally left wingies like sweden to middle grounders like Germany to even Britain.
This logic would be like "my car is broken, so that means all cars do not work"

Btw, hows Walter Reed these days, still rat-infested...?

[Kapt Z]

Oh Ronnie- there you go again...!

Gotta miss the Gipper! Never voted for him, but still miss him.

[SteamWake]

Speaking of Mr. Moore

He is looking for help

http://www.michaelmoore.com/

I have a few suggestions for him. :rotfl:

Interesting , since universal health care is best measured in how it cares for the most vulnerable in society then infant mortality should be a good measure .
So if you look at one of those "socialist" examples like Sweden then it should get a worse result than the inspired American system . yet somehow that doesn't work as their levels of dead babies runs at half of what Americas does .
But hey maybe Sweden is a bad comparison , perhaps somewhere with " the real cockroach filled hospitals that really exist" would give Reagans dream a better chance .....oh dear even the cockroach filled Cuban hospitals beat America when it comes to little babies actually living .
Think of the little babies , consign the gipper back to the bin of B-movies where he belongs .

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Interesting , since universal health care is best measured in how it cares for the most vulnerable in society then infant mortality should be a good measure .
So if you look at one of those "socialist" examples like Sweden then it should get a worse result than the inspired American system . yet somehow that doesn't work as their levels of dead babies runs at half of what Americas does .
But hey maybe Sweden is a bad comparison , perhaps somewhere with " the real cockroach filled hospitals that really exist" would give Reagans dream a better chance .....oh dear even the cockroach filled Cuban hospitals beat America when it comes to little babies actually living .
Think of the little babies , consign the gipper back to the bin of B-movies where he belongs .

This is the kind of half-truth crap Michael Moore has a trademark on. It's a fallacy to compare the US infant mortality rate to other nations:

http://health.usnews.com/usnews/heal...924/2healy.htm

From the above story:

First, it's shaky ground to compare U.S. infant mortality with reports from other countries. The United States counts all births as live if they show any sign of life, regardless of prematurity or size. This includes what many other countries report as stillbirths. In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) to count as a live birth; in other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless. And some countries don't reliably register babies who die within the first 24 hours of birth. Thus, the United States is sure to report higher infant mortality rates. For this very reason, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, which collects the European numbers, warns of head-to-head comparisons by country.