Race for the Arctic - hot war in no longer frozen hell?

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Sounds like pure paradise to me. Just a few more than there are living in Germany today - but scattered around all the globe - I love the mere idea of it. Fantastic.

And many of our problems - would just solve themselves....

Well, if we have to kill 6.9 Billion people to make this work, you go first.

-S

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Well, if we have to kill 6.9 Billion people to make this work, you go first.

-S

Before you came along noone proposed genocide.

[Hitman]

To blame it on religion is stupid. The truth is that every human society encourages population increase, including secular ones. There is power in numbers, that is a basic human instinct. It is not some Catholic plot like Skybird would have you believe.

I agree in that the "power in numbers" is in most societies since ancient times, but what I want to highlight -and I think Skybird probably too- is that religions took it as flag for their own uses and make it be persistant even today, in the XXI century, where such ideas would otherwise probably have not survived to a reality check. Without churches backing up such suicidal ideas, it would be more easy to have public debates about limitating the growth of the human population to a sustainable level, something that would be much more desirable than the current situation.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Before you came along noone proposed genocide.

Correct.

But half a year ago I was accused by somebody else of allegedly regretting that I could not send people disagreeing with me into the gas chambers anymore. If that went by without moderators stepping in, I am not surprised that this one also causes no action.

And some people complain and call it my weakness if I put them on my ignore list over such stunts - to compensate for the moderation.

Disagreements are not the problem. Some people time and again needing to play foul in order to make their points, using distorted quotes, suggestive language, telling lies about other board members and trying to damage the person instead of having a better argument - that is the problem. In other words: a sort of bad behavior that in real life in public places most likely would not be tolerated by people and would lead to people being kicked out of restaurants, cinemas, shops, whatever - at least in all the places and cities over here where I have lived so far.

Being clear in what one wants to say, and defending it, is one thing. Bullying behavior, telling lies about opponents not agreeing, playing cheats and tricks to damage them - that is something very different. But not in this forum, it seems.

[Digital_Trucker]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Being clear in what one wants to say, and defending it, is one thing. Bullying behavior, telling lies about opponents not agreeing, playing cheats and tricks to damage them - that is something very different. But not in this forum, it seems.

Perhaps this old saying will help in that regard : "Stöcke und Steine brechen meine Knochen, aber Worte werden mich nie verletzen"

[Thomen]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Correct.

But half a year ago I was accused by somebody else of allegedly regretting that I could not send people disagreeing with me into the gas chambers anymore. If that went by without moderators stepping in, I am not surprised that this one also causes no action.

And some people complain and call it my weakness if I put them on my ignore list over such stunts - to compensate for the moderation.

Disagreements are not the problem. Some people time and again needing to play foul in order to make their points, using distorted quotes, suggestive language, telling lies about other board members and trying to damage the person instead of having a better argument - that is the problem. In other words: a sort of bad behavior that in real life in public places most likely would not be tolerated by people and would lead to people being kicked out of restaurants, cinemas, shops, whatever - at least in all the places and cities over here where I have lived so far.

Being clear in what one wants to say, and defending it, is one thing. Bullying behavior, telling lies about opponents not agreeing, playing cheats and tricks to damage them - that is something very different. But not in this forum, it seems.

Skybird, with all due respect and before you dig yourself deeper into the hole..

While you make some good points, you ought to be aware that you aren't the victim here nor can you claim 'morale high ground'. Maybe you haven't noticed yourself, but you have a tendency to belittle, bully and show a general aggressive behavior against people that do not agree with your views.

The claim of 'civil behavior' that shines through your above post pales in comparison too what you really say in your other posts and not just in this tread. Calling people slow minded or sick and twisted does not make you a victim, nor establishes a base for assumed superiority.

Your hatred for everything Religious and your treatment of believers in said things do not make you look innocent or more educated. It just make you look like you have a limited 'horizon' and are too stubborn to accept that there are people who have a belief in something that has not much to do with science per se.

Furthermore, that you tell people to stay out of certain threads (not this one, tho but you do it on occasion) when they are in disagreement with you, does gives the impression that you are not interested in an open discourse, but solely use this board to propagate your own world view and do not want any criticism of said view.

Last but not least, as a staff member of the Radioroom, people may misinterpreted what you say and assume it is the position of the staff in its whole. Remember when AVG got blasted for taking a side in a political discussion last year? Some were fast to accuse the staff of taking side, when he was in reality voicing his own opinion. It got even worse after one guy got sent to the brig for using racial slurs and arguing about it.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Before you came along noone proposed genocide.

Well considering it's implied (unless you geniuses know of another way), I simply said what you weren't saying. So super smart one, how would you do this any other way?

Funny how the topic pretty much died when I mentioned it. Everyone else seems to get it.

-S

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Well considering it's implied (unless you geniuses know of another way), I simply said what you weren't saying. So super smart one, how would you do this any other way?

Funny how the topic pretty much died when I mentioned it. Everyone else seems to get it.

-S

I wouldnt do it in any way, I was not even the person exlaiming the wonderfuless of a lower population density. Besides, expressing a wish to have a lot lower population density does not mean that the person wants to kill off most of the population alive right now. At least have the honesty to admit when you are projecting what you want others to say instead of adressing what they actualy do say.

[SUBMAN1]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

I wouldnt do it in any way, I was not even the person exlaiming the wonderfuless of a lower population density....

Then quit discussing it.

-S

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

[And before you blast me with a reply, I agree that the time is over for being fruitful and all, but let's oppose that concept without nuking the vatican. Steady pressure will work in the end.

I hope so, but not for the moment.

Vienna - Catholic priests in Austria on Sunday criticized the Vatican for naming an ultraconservative priest as auxiliary bishop in Linz on Saturday without having consulted the local church. The designated bishop, Gerhard Wagner, has made headlines in the past when he condemned JK Rowling's Harry Potter books for its "satanist" content.

He also suggested in 2005 that Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment, as it destroyed five abortion clinics as well as nightclubs in New Orleans.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...an-bishop.html
And:

Among the men reinstated Saturday was Richard Williamson, a British-born cleric who in an interview last week said he did not believe that six million Jews died in the Nazi gas chambers. He has also given interviews saying that the United States government staged the Sept. 11 attacks as a pretext to invade Afghanistan.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/25/wo...a7f&ei=5087%0A

And here is the fine bishop Williamson on 9/11.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=E7fjGxfNsKk

[Onkel Neal]

I made the forum moderators drink a magic potion this afternoon, now they will never make any mistakes, never have an ommission, never takes sides or voice their own personal views, and never exercise their moderation duties in error, in any way, ever. It's done, so stop whining about how they treated this other guy more gently than you, they cannot make any mistakes now after the magic potion. Their moderation activities will be as precise as splitting atoms, and bound by ironclad rules of physics. That's some magic potion, yeah?

It's a wonder I didn't think of this before.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

Then quit discussing it.

-S

Excuse me? I was not discussing the benefits of a lower population density, merely pointing out your dishonest tactics at dealing wtih others. Besides, why should I stop discussing it? Not hing an answet to a problem is no reason not to talk about a problem.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I made the forum moderators drink a magic potion this afternoon, now they will never make any mistakes, never have an ommission, never takes sides or voice their own personal views, and never exercise their moderation duties in error, in any way, ever. It's done, so stop whining about how they treated this other guy more gently than you, they cannot make any mistakes now after the magic potion. Their moderation activities will be as precise as splitting atoms, and bound by ironclad rules of physics. That's some magic potion, yeah?

It's a wonder I didn't think of this before.

Very funny, Neal. Eventually I will remind you of this "joke" occasionally.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Excuse me? I was not discussing the benefits of a lower population density, merely pointing out your dishonest tactics at dealing wtih others. Besides, why should I stop discussing it? Not hing an answet to a problem is no reason not to talk about a problem.

Man, just let it rest. Subman never behaves different than like he just has done again, it is not worth it to discuss with him, for he plays foul intentionally with what you called "dishonest tactics" of his - and I should know, I have had the questionable pleasure very often to sit at the receiving end of his personal diffamations. Don't waste your time, and instead do like I did: ignore him.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

A bit OT but the title of the thread reminds me of this Finnish movie.



"They held back the Russian Juggernaut in a frozen Hell!"

I just watched this movie on youtube. I never knew finland was a frozen hell.