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SUBMAN1 · 12-28-08, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Israel is anything but restrained. It's crazy to see how efficient is the Israeli propaganda machine, that's one topic on which all the media are on the same line, from left to right and from the US to Europe.

Oh, my mistake. The rockets were fictitious

. If I were Israel, I would attack the moment a single one was launched. Looks like they launched over 100.

-S

PS. I do find it very telling that the BBC ignored the attacks, but when Israel attacks, they are all over it. Sounds like the ultimate propaganda machine - way beyond Israels right there.

Mikhayl · 12-28-08, 04:21 PM

See, you talk about the rockets because that's all you heard about, but you forget the continuous air raids over gaza during all the cease fire.

Well anyway I know you don't care and I don't care about you either so whatever.

SUBMAN1 · 12-28-08, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

See, you talk about the rockets because that's all you heard about, but you forget the continuous air raids over gaza during all the cease fire.

Well anyway I know you don't care and I don't care about you either so whatever.

Show me one instance of Israel being the aggressor. Let me help you - you can't. It was all in response to violent attacks on Israel from Hamas.

But i guess you are a terrorist sympathizer.

-S

Mikhayl · 12-28-08, 04:51 PM

So typical of you, barking barking and barking. Anyway it kind of illustrates my point on Israeli propaganda so thank you.

SUBMAN1 · 12-28-08, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

So typical of you, barking barking and barking. Anyway it kind of illustrates my point on Israeli propaganda so thank you.

No, just in shock from all the antisemitism.

I guess Europe's history is full of it so I shouldn't be in shock.

-S

Letum · 12-28-08, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

[...]just in shock from all the antisemitism.

Anti-sematism?
A quick Ctr+F search reveals that the words 'Semite' or 'Jew' Have not been mentioned
in this topic until now.
People seam to be talking about politics, nations and events, rather than religion or race.

Dowly · 12-28-08, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

See, you talk about the rockets because that's all you heard about, but you forget the continuous air raids over gaza during all the cease fire.

Well anyway I know you don't care and I don't care about you either so whatever.

Show me one instance of Israel being the aggressor. Let me help you - you can't. It was all in response to violent attacks on Israel from Hamas.

But i guess you are a terrorist sympathizer.

-S

Yes, from HAMAS. Yet, Israel hits Mosques and civilian targets. Hmm, what makes them any better than the terrorists?

Mikhayl · 12-28-08, 08:08 PM

Gaza ghetto: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...spitals-crisis

And some different news sources on Palestine and the ME
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php

http://joshualandis.com/blog/

http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml

http://occupiedlove.blogspot.com/

and of course, again:
http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

Aramike · 12-28-08, 11:24 PM

Well, this thread is aptly titled, in any case.

This is the kind of thing that is interesting to observe: people letting partisan views interfere with the facts. Seriously, the fact is that Isreal has been getting shelled by Palestinians in Gaza from well before their relatiation. This isn't something that's debatable - this is what actually happened.

People always seem to deplore the violence of those most effective at it. In other words, it doesn't matter that the Palestinians are lobbing mortar shells at Isrealis because those mortars are simply not very effective. However, when the Isrealis respond by firing back with more effective weapons, certain segments of the world get all up-in-arms over it.

I guess it's just a fascination with rooting for the underdog. Forgetting the cause and focusing solely on the effect is short-sighted.

Aramike · 12-28-08, 11:29 PM

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Yes, from HAMAS. Yet, Israel hits Mosques and civilian targets. Hmm, what makes them any better than the terrorists?

How are those "civilians" any better than the terrorists if they abide them?

I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism. There certainly are details and minutiae to debate but this point is a tad off-base, IMO.

Remember, the Palestinians ELECTED Hamas. http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Hamas_wi...inian_election

This isn't a splinter unit acting alone.

Foxtrot · 12-29-08, 06:23 AM

Heil Arthur Balfour and Co.

Mikhayl · 12-29-08, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism.

It would be like if the French people had marched to protest against the French Resistance during WWII. After all they were labelled "terrorists" too.

Schroeder · 12-29-08, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Aramike

I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism.

Protest against HAMAS in Gaza and you won't live long enough to tell the tale.

But I think you are right. Israel has been hit by mortars and Kassams (spelling?) for quite some time now. And it was just a question of time until the big guns would answer that.

I think it is a never ending story. Both sides have too many idiots to achieve a durable peace down there.

Aramike · 12-29-08, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

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Originally Posted by Aramike

I'll buy into this argument when I start seeing the Palestinian protest marches against terrorism.

It would be like if the French people had marched to protest against the French Resistance during WWII. After all they were labelled "terrorists" too.

Umm, you made my point.

SUBMAN1 · 12-29-08, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Letum

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Originally Posted by SUBMAN1

[...]just in shock from all the antisemitism.

Anti-sematism?
A quick Ctr+F search reveals that the words 'Semite' or 'Jew' Have not been mentioned
in this topic until now.
People seam to be talking about politics, nations and events, rather than religion or race.

The words don't need to be spoken. Its implied over and over here.

-S

12-29-08, 06:23 AM	#26
Foxtrot Ensign Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 231 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Heil Arthur Balfour and Co. __________________ And when the plane got down to, 'The plane is 10 miles out,' the young man also said to the vice president, 'Do the orders still stand?' And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, 'Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?' Well, at the time I didn't know what all that meant.

12-28-08, 04:21 PM	#17
Mikhayl Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 485 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	See, you talk about the rockets because that's all you heard about, but you forget the continuous air raids over gaza during all the cease fire. Well anyway I know you don't care and I don't care about you either so whatever.

12-28-08, 04:51 PM	#19
Mikhayl Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 485 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	So typical of you, barking barking and barking. Anyway it kind of illustrates my point on Israeli propaganda so thank you.

12-28-08, 08:08 PM	#23
Mikhayl Captain Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 485 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	Gaza ghetto: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008...spitals-crisis And some different news sources on Palestine and the ME http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php http://joshualandis.com/blog/ http://electronicintifada.net/new.shtml http://occupiedlove.blogspot.com/ and of course, again: http://angryarab.blogspot.com/

12-28-08, 11:24 PM	#24
Aramike Ocean Warrior Best of SUBSIM Chairman Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Milwaukee, WI Posts: 3,207 Downloads: 59 Uploads: 0	Well, this thread is aptly titled, in any case. This is the kind of thing that is interesting to observe: people letting partisan views interfere with the facts. Seriously, the fact is that Isreal has been getting shelled by Palestinians in Gaza from well before their relatiation. This isn't something that's debatable - this is what actually happened. People always seem to deplore the violence of those most effective at it. In other words, it doesn't matter that the Palestinians are lobbing mortar shells at Isrealis because those mortars are simply not very effective. However, when the Isrealis respond by firing back with more effective weapons, certain segments of the world get all up-in-arms over it. I guess it's just a fascination with rooting for the underdog. Forgetting the cause and focusing solely on the effect is short-sighted.