Will we have Thermal Layers Modelled ?

Redwine · 08-25-06, 07:19 AM

Reading the SH4 Interview, specially the response to Henk WissinK question, into the response thermal layers are not mentioned as a parameter affecting the effectivity of pasive or active sonars.

USA subs has BatyThermoGraphs, it was on SH1, will we have them and thermal layers modelled ?

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Henk Wissink, 62, Nederlands: How is the escort sonar degraded in case of speed, convoy noise level, and depth charge explosions?

SH4 Dev Team: We already made some escort sensors alteration in SH3. Here you have a short list with parameters that are took in consideration by various sensors:

Radar:
Range

Wave height

Exposed surface of the searched unit

Visual sensors:
Range

Fog

Light (positions of light and searched unit)

Wave height

Exposed surface of the searched unit

Speed of the searcher

Hydrophone:
Range

Wave height

Noise level of the searched unit

Speed of the searcher

ASDIC:
Range

Wave Heights

Exposed surface of the searched unit

Speed of the searcher

Wilko · 08-26-06, 06:00 PM

Good question, hope it is included

Steeltrap · 08-27-06, 09:32 PM

Yes, and no mention of bearing to target by searching unit (can't exatly hear much 15-20 degrees either side of your screws) nor effect of depth charges.

This stuff is simulation 1.01 as far as I'm concerned - get it right or give up!

Charlie901 · 08-27-06, 10:41 PM

I think the Devs are more concerned with spending the remaining development time perfecting a "Quake" style of Multiplay at this point.

It all boils down to $$$

Stary Wuj · 08-28-06, 04:28 AM

Multiplayer ? Waste of time until next Destroyer Command will be released.

And YES - we need THERMAL LAYERS - please.........

Stary Wuj

Camaero · 08-28-06, 05:08 AM

Why do I have a bad feeling about SH4?

TDK1044 · 08-29-06, 07:09 AM

I must admit that I liked the "passing through thermal layer, Sir" announcement in the earlier version of Silent Hunter.

Safe-Keeper · 08-29-06, 08:18 AM

They didn't say that the things on that list would be all the features, nor did they say that was the final list. "We've already made some alterations" sounds to me like they're not nearly done.

Quote:

This stuff is simulation 1.01 as far as I'm concerned - get it right or give up!

If Silent Hunter IV was my project, that one would really have gotten on my nerves.

How about some tactfulness here?

rls669 · 08-30-06, 03:09 PM

If SH4 was my project, the fans wouldn't be asking if such basic sim elements were being included.:p

Payoff · 08-30-06, 06:20 PM

If the Subsim community had kept silent when the SHIII Dev team announced that the campaign would be made up of scripted missions, then that is exactly what we would have now. I think we should continue to let our opinions be heard in a tactful and professional manner. After all we are ultimately the paying customer.

Just my two cents.

Steeltrap · 08-31-06, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Safe-Keeper

They didn't say that the things on that list would be all the features, nor did they say that was the final list. "We've already made some alterations" sounds to me like they're not nearly done.

Quote:

This stuff is simulation 1.01 as far as I'm concerned - get it right or give up!

If Silent Hunter IV was my project, that one would really have gotten on my nerves.

How about some tactfulness here?

Quite right, SafeKeeper, they haven't said their list is exhaustive, so I am guilty of not reading carefully what is written. I dislike others sounding off like that, so apologise for doing it myself. I also appreciate your pointing it out (not being sarcastic, btw!).

As for tact, I'm happy to apologise to the developers if such a comment caused any discomfort. My point, if not expressed especially delicately, was that the effects of speed of escort, bearing to sub, sea state, depth, sea bottom (if shallow) type, disturbed water following DCs etc. are all well studied and known factors, so there should be little need to state a desire that they be considered. The fact that the list doesn't cover these is what caused me to comment on their fundamental nature when simulating an escort's ability to dectect a submerged sub.

So, not wishing to offend anyone, but also not wishing to pass on the fact that some of these things really shouldn't need to be asked about.

Cheers

08-25-06, 07:19 AM	#1
Redwine Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Martin de los Andes, Neuquen, , Argentina. Posts: 1,962 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Will we have Thermal Layers Modelled ? Reading the SH4 Interview, specially the response to Henk WissinK question, into the response thermal layers are not mentioned as a parameter affecting the effectivity of pasive or active sonars. USA subs has BatyThermoGraphs, it was on SH1, will we have them and thermal layers modelled ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Henk Wissink, 62, Nederlands: How is the escort sonar degraded in case of speed, convoy noise level, and depth charge explosions? SH4 Dev Team: We already made some escort sensors alteration in SH3. Here you have a short list with parameters that are took in consideration by various sensors: Radar: Range Wave height Exposed surface of the searched unit Visual sensors: Range Fog Light (positions of light and searched unit) Wave height Exposed surface of the searched unit Speed of the searcher Hydrophone: Range Wave height Noise level of the searched unit Speed of the searcher ASDIC: Range Wave Heights Exposed surface of the searched unit Speed of the searcher __________________ . "SH III and SH IV Mods" "Manual TDC Tutorial" "SH2 Downloads Selection"

08-26-06, 06:00 PM	#2
Wilko Officer Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Aussie Posts: 249 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	Good question, hope it is included __________________ You take it easy... and have a nice day

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08-30-06, 06:20 PM	#10
Payoff Captain Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Nash Town, USA Posts: 525 Downloads: 1 Uploads: 0	If the Subsim community had kept silent when the SHIII Dev team announced that the campaign would be made up of scripted missions, then that is exactly what we would have now. I think we should continue to let our opinions be heard in a tactful and professional manner. After all we are ultimately the paying customer. Just my two cents. __________________ "Hit Shokaku class carrier with three out of six torpedos. Recieved 105 depth charges during three hour period. Heard four terrific explosions in the direction of target, two and one half hours after attack. Believe that baby sank!" Lieutenant Commander Herman Kossler USS Cavalla

08-27-06, 09:32 PM	#3
Steeltrap Grey Wolf Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 818 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	Yes, and no mention of bearing to target by searching unit (can't exatly hear much 15-20 degrees either side of your screws) nor effect of depth charges. This stuff is simulation 1.01 as far as I'm concerned - get it right or give up!

08-27-06, 10:41 PM	#4
Charlie901 XO Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Posts: 413 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	I think the Devs are more concerned with spending the remaining development time perfecting a "Quake" style of Multiplay at this point. It all boils down to $$$

08-28-06, 04:28 AM	#5
Stary Wuj Lieutenant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Poland, Zabrze Posts: 268 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Multiplayer ? Waste of time until next Destroyer Command will be released. And YES - we need THERMAL LAYERS - please......... Stary Wuj

08-29-06, 07:09 AM	#7
TDK1044 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 2,674 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I must admit that I liked the "passing through thermal layer, Sir" announcement in the earlier version of Silent Hunter.

08-30-06, 03:09 PM	#9
rls669 Torpedoman Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 117 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	If SH4 was my project, the fans wouldn't be asking if such basic sim elements were being included.:p