Err Victor III using stand off airborne torpedos?

[ollie1983]

Just had a knife fight with a Russian Victor, in 600ft of water strong layer at 300ft. He goes active and fires some kind of sea lance lookalike at me and is firing them from depth?? Is this a real weapon and is this realistic??

[Shadow]

SS-N-16 Stallion. Yeah, a sort of torpedo-carrying missile like the Sea Lance.

[Wiz33]

Originally Posted by Shadow

SS-N-16 Stallion. Yeah, a sort of torpedo-carrying missile like the Sea Lance.

I think his question it if they can be launch at 600ft depth.

My answer is that it might, THe reason that Harpoon and TASM/TLAM can only be launched above 200ft is that they are basically surface fire version encapsulate in a container and container can only withstand 200ft of pressure. The Sea Lance and the SS-N-15/16 are design to be used by sub so maybe they can be launched just like a torp at pretty much any depth.

[ollie1983]

Ye gods, the Russians have outsmarted us again.

Throw in a 1992 and 1996 time line and we will have the dreaded VA-111 to deal with next.

[Shadow]

Haven't been able to find anything about the Stallion's launch depth. Could be classified.

As for the VA-111 (Shkval), I wonder about its actual performance. Which is of course top secret. But supercavitation is a fickle thing, and I don't see it being all that maneuverable at 200+ knots. If you can see it coming (and I doubt it's anywhere near quiet) it shouldn't be too hard to get out of the way unless you're very close to the launch point. Modern warships can turn really fast.

Fearsome? Sure. Wunderwaffe? Doubt it.

[FPSchazly]

Originally Posted by Shadow

Haven't been able to find anything about the Stallion's launch depth. Could be classified.

As for the VA-111 (Shkval), I wonder about its actual performance. Which is of course top secret. But supercavitation is a fickle thing, and I don't see it being all that maneuverable at 200+ knots. If you can see it coming (and I doubt it's anywhere near quiet) it shouldn't be too hard to get out of the way unless you're very close to the launch point. Modern warships can turn really fast.

Fearsome? Sure. Wunderwaffe? Doubt it.

Not to compare the game to Dangerous Waters, but in Dangerous Waters, if the Shkval is shot well, it is nearly impossible to dodge in its entirety - it will always give some damage on a good shot. However, I'm not sure how effective these weapons are with conventional munitions (damage radius isn't very large for conventional explosives) and they seem to be designed with nuclear weapons in mind. However, according to wikipedia, it seems like they're intended as anti-torpedo torpedoes.

[Steiger]

Originally Posted by Shadow

I don't see it being all that maneuverable at 200+ knots.

Yeah if you've ever seen a video of a rocket launch get off course and disintegrate with the aerodynamic forces, imagine what the hydrodynamic forces must be like at 200 knots. I imagine the supercavity would collapse.

Hard to dodge at long range, but erratic movements at close range would likely do the trick.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Shadow

Haven't been able to find anything about the Stallion's launch depth. Could be classified.

As for the VA-111 (Shkval), I wonder about its actual performance. Which is of course top secret. But supercavitation is a fickle thing, and I don't see it being all that maneuverable at 200+ knots. If you can see it coming (and I doubt it's anywhere near quiet) it shouldn't be too hard to get out of the way unless you're very close to the launch point. Modern warships can turn really fast.

Fearsome? Sure. Wunderwaffe? Doubt it.

It is a straight runner torpedo (well supercavitating underwater missile) with a nuclear charge and magnetic proxy fuse.

It is a situational weapon, for killing a SSBN that you shadow before it finishes the SLBM salvo.