Pearl Harbor and jap planes

sfc · 01-20-16, 03:50 PM

Hi all
I am trying to set up a mission of the attack on Pearl Harbor but several problems keep popping up.
first- all the planes want to attack my sub and not the BBs or anything else, I have marked the ships as not docked and even put a DD sailing at 5 kts and still they come after my sub! any thoughts on that?
second- ME keeps spawning strange ships into the harbor when I do try to play it, such as a carrier suddenly appearing at dock. is there a way to stop that?
I can see now some of the problems other members have had trying to make this mission and I guess why they gave up. found several old posts that have talked about making this mission and both just tried up in postings, or the download links became out of date.
any help would be great.

TorpX · 01-20-16, 08:53 PM

I think when you make a mission at PH, you are then going to get whatever campaign units that are scripted at that location, in your play. You might want to experiment with missions out in the boondocks first. Start simple.

Second, I wouldn't waste time trying to change the behavior of the aircraft. We just don't have a way to do it. It's a submarine operations game; enemy aircraft are going to attack you when they see you. That is the way the game was built. The pilots don't have an elaborate target priority list. I would place my sub on the far side of the big ships, or even underwater. That should help.

Col7777 · 01-21-16, 03:53 AM

I'm far from being an expert on this sim so forgive me if I'm way off the mark.

Is it not possible to copy the ship units and make new ones but label them as a sub not a ship then the aircraft may attack them as well, just a thought.

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TorpX · 01-21-16, 04:15 AM

It's not necessary. Aircraft will attack ships. It's just that if they see your sub first, or maybe even at the same time, they are apt to attack your sub. Iow, there is no checkbox on the aircraft "ignore player submarines".

Gibus · 01-21-16, 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TorpX

It's a submarine operations game; enemy aircraft are going to attack you when they see you. That is the way the game was built.

Bonjour,

Yet US aircraft attack Japanese ships ...

sfc · 01-21-16, 12:57 PM

thanks guys for the thoughts and ideas, on placing my sub on the far side from the surface ships- the planes actually flew right over the BB and still came after me-crazy.
on thoughts about labeling the surface ships to sub, that might be a thought to try, I'll let you know what happens.
I may try diving my sub also and see what happens.
I have made a couple of missions and was wondering if anyone would be interested, 1st is protect Wake Island from the 2nd invasion force and then seek out the task force that was covering to the north, then I made a intercept of the attack force just after the Pearl attack.
If anyone would like to check them out, I will upload them.
again thanks for the comments and ideas.

Cybermat47 · 01-21-16, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gibus

Bonjour,

Yet US aircraft attack Japanese ships ...

Is this in U-Boat missions?

TorpX · 01-21-16, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gibus

Bonjour,

Yet US aircraft attack Japanese ships ...

IJ aircraft will attack US ships, too. I had to make a mission of this nature to test aircraft physics recently, so I know it happens.

I have no idea why sfc would have trouble getting them to attack ships. He might want to double check what kinds of loadouts the aircraft have. If they have depth charges, they might want to attack subs. I would try some variety of a/c. See if they all behave the same.

Btw, I used RFB+RSRDC in my missions. Maybe that has some effect here.

sfc · 01-22-16, 12:42 AM

thanks for the suggestions and comments everyone.
I tried several different planes and so far the zeros and bettys will attack, sometimes the asw kates will attack, but never will the vals.
I put the BB at a dock setting and undocked-same thing
I put speed at zero and it seemed the planes didn't even see it, put speed even at .1 and the attacking planes see it.
I haven't tried planes from rfb+rsrdc but will try some different mod planes tomorrow.
to answer one question- no this is not a u-boat mission, strictly wolves of the pacific.
i put a CL in with the BB and the jap planes sank it in no time, then took the CL out and the planes damaged the BB to list to port. so something is happening at least.
again thanks everyone

TorpX · 01-22-16, 08:41 PM

Hmmm...........

When I was testing my a/c, I used mostly merchants, as I didn't want AAA taking out the a/c. I also used a few DD's, at first. I had the target ships sitting still. As far as I could tell, not moving, or docked has no effect; the a/c attacked every time, Vals too. Sometimes, they would not drop on the first pass, but make 2 or 3 before they liked the set-up. That seemed odd to me, but they eventually attacked.

One thing- I had most of the a/c coming in at low altitude, probably less than 3,000 ft. in most cases. If yours are high, they may indeed have trouble seeing the targets.

If you do figure out what the problem is, update the thread. This would be good to know.

01-20-16, 03:50 PM	#1
sfc Mate Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: colorado Posts: 58 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Pearl Harbor and jap planes Hi all I am trying to set up a mission of the attack on Pearl Harbor but several problems keep popping up. first- all the planes want to attack my sub and not the BBs or anything else, I have marked the ships as not docked and even put a DD sailing at 5 kts and still they come after my sub! any thoughts on that? second- ME keeps spawning strange ships into the harbor when I do try to play it, such as a carrier suddenly appearing at dock. is there a way to stop that? I can see now some of the problems other members have had trying to make this mission and I guess why they gave up. found several old posts that have talked about making this mission and both just tried up in postings, or the download links became out of date. any help would be great.

01-20-16, 08:53 PM	#2
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	I think when you make a mission at PH, you are then going to get whatever campaign units that are scripted at that location, in your play. You might want to experiment with missions out in the boondocks first. Start simple. Second, I wouldn't waste time trying to change the behavior of the aircraft. We just don't have a way to do it. It's a submarine operations game; enemy aircraft are going to attack you when they see you. That is the way the game was built. The pilots don't have an elaborate target priority list. I would place my sub on the far side of the big ships, or even underwater. That should help.

01-21-16, 03:53 AM	#3
Col7777 Grey Wolf Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Manchester UK Posts: 944 Downloads: 260 Uploads: 0	I'm far from being an expert on this sim so forgive me if I'm way off the mark. Is it not possible to copy the ship units and make new ones but label them as a sub not a ship then the aircraft may attack them as well, just a thought. 37 __________________ Silent and Violent

01-21-16, 12:57 PM	#6
sfc Mate Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: colorado Posts: 58 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	thanks for the thoughts thanks guys for the thoughts and ideas, on placing my sub on the far side from the surface ships- the planes actually flew right over the BB and still came after me-crazy. on thoughts about labeling the surface ships to sub, that might be a thought to try, I'll let you know what happens. I may try diving my sub also and see what happens. I have made a couple of missions and was wondering if anyone would be interested, 1st is protect Wake Island from the 2nd invasion force and then seek out the task force that was covering to the north, then I made a intercept of the attack force just after the Pearl attack. If anyone would like to check them out, I will upload them. again thanks for the comments and ideas.

01-22-16, 12:42 AM	#9
sfc Mate Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: colorado Posts: 58 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	tried several things thanks for the suggestions and comments everyone. I tried several different planes and so far the zeros and bettys will attack, sometimes the asw kates will attack, but never will the vals. I put the BB at a dock setting and undocked-same thing I put speed at zero and it seemed the planes didn't even see it, put speed even at .1 and the attacking planes see it. I haven't tried planes from rfb+rsrdc but will try some different mod planes tomorrow. to answer one question- no this is not a u-boat mission, strictly wolves of the pacific. i put a CL in with the BB and the jap planes sank it in no time, then took the CL out and the planes damaged the BB to list to port. so something is happening at least. again thanks everyone

01-21-16, 04:15 AM	#4
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	It's not necessary. Aircraft will attack ships. It's just that if they see your sub first, or maybe even at the same time, they are apt to attack your sub. Iow, there is no checkbox on the aircraft "ignore player submarines".

01-22-16, 08:41 PM	#10
TorpX Silent Hunter Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 3,975 Downloads: 153 Uploads: 11	Hmmm........... When I was testing my a/c, I used mostly merchants, as I didn't want AAA taking out the a/c. I also used a few DD's, at first. I had the target ships sitting still. As far as I could tell, not moving, or docked has no effect; the a/c attacked every time, Vals too. Sometimes, they would not drop on the first pass, but make 2 or 3 before they liked the set-up. That seemed odd to me, but they eventually attacked. One thing- I had most of the a/c coming in at low altitude, probably less than 3,000 ft. in most cases. If yours are high, they may indeed have trouble seeing the targets. If you do figure out what the problem is, update the thread. This would be good to know.