THE WAR ENDED & I'M A BIT DISAPPOINTED

[SeaviewSkipper]

Hi everyone. I just finished my first career and I'm a bit disappointed. I refitted at Guam with a few days left in the war and was on my way back to my home base of Freemantle. I sank 230,000 tons on this patrol. Suddenly, the game just stopped and told me the war was over. I got the "wonderful job" screens and my career was over.
I'm disappointed because I didn't get a summary or total of the medals I won or the tonnage I sank. Is this normal? I thought I could proceed back to base and see that information and save my career results, much as you can do between patrols when you're in your office.
If anyone can enlighten me I would appreciate it. Thanks. Jeff

[thegrindre]

Oh, wow, that's a bummer, Jeff. I'm not looking forward to that at all. There's gotta be more to it then that?

I appreciate the warning...

Oh, BTW, is that MSTS Seaview?

[Torplexed]

When this sim first came out, some expressed disappointment that you didn't see the flash and mushroom cloud from the atomic bombs being dropped at wars end if you were in the right spot off Japan. Me, I could do without the sudden tan.

However, some kind of postwar fanfare and wrap-up would have been nice. Maybe there wasn't the budget for it.

[merc4ulfate]

Medals are for those who do not know how to do a good job. Those who do a good job know the value is in their men .... not what they wear on their chest.

[Cybermat47]

Originally Posted by merc4ulfate

Medals are for those who do not know how to do a good job. Those who do a good job know the value is in their men .... not what they wear on their chest.

True... but it would still be good if you could see your total tonnage at the end of the career.

I can think of a way to mod that in (for all the games from III-V, seeing as they're the same underneath the graphics), but it would be very fiddly.

[SeaviewSkipper]

Originally Posted by merc4ulfate

Medals are for those who do not know how to do a good job. Those who do a good job know the value is in their men .... not what they wear on their chest.

Well, that's a rather absurd, arrogant statement, and one I disagree with. I did a VERY good job during my 14 patrol career. I sank about a million tons of shipping-including three aircraft carriers and a battleship, sent probably 70,000 troops to see Davey Jones, shot down 80-90 planes, and only lost one man. I also successfully completed all but one of my patrol objectives. In addition, I never shot at junks, sampans, or fishing vessels because I consider that to be immoral. Those tiny vessels are defenseless and manned by poor civilians trying to eke-out a living from the sea and have nothing whatsoever to do with the war.

On the contrary, medals are given in official recognition and appreciation of the fact that you DID do a good job. It's just like getting perks, bonuses, and promotions in private industry. Would you be happy and satisfied if you worked diligently, honorably, and successfully for a company and never got a promotion or a raise? Of course not. Please be real.

[U505995]

Originally Posted by SeaviewSkipper

Well, that's a rather absurd, arrogant statement, and one I disagree with. I did a VERY good job during my 14 patrol career. I sank about a million tons of shipping-including three aircraft carriers and a battleship, sent probably 70,000 troops to see Davey Jones, shot down 80-90 planes, and only lost one man. I also successfully completed all but one of my patrol objectives. In addition, I never shot at junks, sampans, or fishing vessels because I consider that to be immoral. Those tiny vessels are defenseless and manned by poor civilians trying to eke-out a living from the sea and have nothing whatsoever to do with the war.

On the contrary, medals are given in official recognition and appreciation of the fact that you DID do a good job. It's just like getting perks, bonuses, and promotions in private industry. Would you be happy and satisfied if you worked diligently, honorably, and successfully for a company and never got a promotion or a raise? Of course not. Please be real.

LoL you call that a very good job? Anyone can pull that off playing easy mode on the stock game. Your accomplishments don't really amount to that much considering all the traffic in the stock game and unlimited fuel. You want a real challange download the tmo mod and play with some actual realism.

[Jax von May]

Good points.

I like the reference to a code of conduct. You rightly say that attacking civilians is immoral. It is also illegal, under international humanitarian law. Customary law, particularly at sea, provides for an obligation to protect and spare non-combatants, whether civilians or shipwrecked staff. Since 1949, the 2nd Geneva convention precisely regulates that.

However, a civilian ship (or anything, for that matter) which which contributes concretely to the war effort of the enemy loses its protected status and can be lawfully attacked.

Originally Posted by SeaviewSkipper

Well, that's a rather absurd, arrogant statement, and one I disagree with. I did a VERY good job during my 14 patrol career. I sank about a million tons of shipping-including three aircraft carriers and a battleship, sent probably 70,000 troops to see Davey Jones, shot down 80-90 planes, and only lost one man. I also successfully completed all but one of my patrol objectives. In addition, I never shot at junks, sampans, or fishing vessels because I consider that to be immoral. Those tiny vessels are defenseless and manned by poor civilians trying to eke-out a living from the sea and have nothing whatsoever to do with the war.

On the contrary, medals are given in official recognition and appreciation of the fact that you DID do a good job. It's just like getting perks, bonuses, and promotions in private industry. Would you be happy and satisfied if you worked diligently, honorably, and successfully for a company and never got a promotion or a raise? Of course not. Please be real.

[SeaviewSkipper]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

When this sim first came out, some expressed disappointment that you didn't see the flash and mushroom cloud from the atomic bombs being dropped at wars end if you were in the right spot off Japan. Me, I could do without the sudden tan.

However, some kind of postwar fanfare and wrap-up would have been nice. Maybe there wasn't the budget for it.

Yeah. A career summation would be desirable. It's a real shame there isn't one. I think it lessens the game experience.

[SeaviewSkipper]

Originally Posted by thegrindre

Oh, wow, that's a bummer, Jeff. I'm not looking forward to that at all. There's gotta be more to it then that?

I appreciate the warning...

Oh, BTW, is that MSTS Seaview?

MSTS? I'm not sure what that is. The reference is to Capt. Lee Crane, commander of the SSNR Seaview from Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.

Yeah, it was a bummer. Definitely a letdown. Thanks for your reply.