Escorts Insane detection (GWX)

[frigokar]

Whats wrong with escorts detection? Is this a bug or intended?

Tried with two diffrent convoys...Lied in wait in front of them, silent running is on (read in a post "way too hard" by fast fed) (also stupid if im staning sumberged,no loading of torpedoes or anything how do they hear me...is my crew banging hammers on the walls when theres nothing to do?)

Anyways both time escorts just come charging at my position pingning and then depth charging...

Its january 1941...

Solution????

[banryu79]

Originally Posted by frigokar

Solution????

In a similar situation I think I will try to stay out of the ASDIC cone of the escorts. If this means NOT to lay in front of the convoy but instead to try an approach from one of the flanks of the convoy... I will go for it!

EDIT:
Also please note that to really be in a "silent running" condition you have to keep your boat engines RPM < 100. You can easly do that specifing directly a speed... for example in a Type VII try with 1 Kt or sligthly less.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by frigokar

Whats wrong with escorts detection? Is this a bug or intended?

Tried with two diffrent convoys...Lied in wait in front of them, silent running is on (read in a post "way too hard" by fast fed) (also stupid if im staning sumberged,no loading of torpedoes or anything how do they hear me...is my crew banging hammers on the walls when theres nothing to do?)

Anyways both time escorts just come charging at my position pingning and then depth charging...

Its january 1941...

Solution????

Silent running is not fail safe. It is simply a precaution. In other words on a scale of 0 to 10 it would probably be around 3 depending on weather conditions etc. It can never be a "0"

What I would do if lying in wait in front of a convoy is go as deep as possible until all lead destroyers have passed overhead. Then, and only then would I come up to periscope depth.

With this approach you can have your boat lie horizontally to the convoy as at depth you are unlikely to be picked up. Or if you really want to play safe and give as little footprint as possible, then bring your boat around as you come up. The big advantage to this manoeuvre is that when you do get to periscope depth all tubes, fore and aft can come into immediate play as you more than likely will be right amongst your targets.

Hope this helps.

[frigokar]

I am not moving or making any noise and escorts still charge at me...dont tell me you play like this and take this as normal game behaviour...i played silent hunter a long time ago...but started playing recently with GWX and 1980x1080 gui mod.Even at late years escorts were not clairvoyant

Since all the people here suggest always something like dont make noise or maybe they see your periscope on radar ( its 1941 and no my periscope is down)
im assuming this is some kind of bug only happening to some people.

If you stayed 10 km in front of the convoy,submerged at night with some fog and waves,silent running no periscope or any kind of movement,loading and such and a escort comes closing EXACTLY on your position dropping depth charges and pinging...then i guess you would know what im talking about

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by frigokar

If you stayed 10 km in front of the convoy,submerged at night with some fog and waves,silent running no periscope or any kind of movement,loading and such

I play GWX and yes, sometimes I stick my periscope up and all I see is a damn destroyer bearing right down on me. Not all the time though.

My question is. What depth are you at when they pick you up? I ask that because as you know - "depth is your friend"

[frigokar]

periscope depth...but how are they picking me up...through what appartus?

[Ping Jockey]

GWX changes the Sonar settings in the Sim folder. The stock settings make it to easy to go undetected.

[Pisces]

Something that is not yet mentioned [whoops, missed sublynx' point 6] is your orientation to the incomming destroyers as they are pinging. You return a much stronger signal when you are pointed perpendicular to the direction to the pinging warship. Don't give them your flank, but try to line up with them making your reflective surface as small as possible.

Roughly speaking, when the destroyer is on the 330 or 030 bearing then you are still showing halve of your maximum reflective surface when showing your broadside.

[Von Tonner]

Originally Posted by frigokar

periscope depth...but how are they picking me up...through what appartus?

If you are 10 kilometers out there should be no way at all that they could pick you up. The GWX Manuel gives early war sonar range at 1 to 2 kilometers depending on variables.

Some posters are of the opinion that this range has been boosted in GWX. But if you are been picked up 10k's out that is simply amazing. There is no ways you would even be able to get close to a convoy.

[maillemaker]

In 1941 you should have no problem with a frontal-quadrant attack.

My ideal attack pattern is to plot an intercept directly in front of a convoy, then angle my course towards the outside of the convoy. I turn away from the convoy as required to keep my boat at least 1500 meters away from the lead escort. You should be at silent running throughout the approach. This means instructing your engineer to set silent running but also means running no faster than ahead slow. Sometimes, if I am scooting quite close by the lead escort I will even order all stop and coast while he goes by.

If I'm not able to position myself directly in front of the convoy I will try and approach from the side such that I am beside the lead escort but will pass well in front of the lead flank escort. You are basically trying to thread the needle avoiding detection between those two escorts. It is easiest to let the convoy run you over and only have to dodge the lead escort. This can be tricky though as the lead escort often weaves back and forth in front of the convoy. If he happens to be moving towards you while you are trying to slide past him, bad things can happen.

Note that this approach obviously only works if the convoy has not already been alerted to your presence through a visual or radar contact. Once they start zig-zagging your will not be able to make a silent approach - they are alerted and they will find you.

Once you get into 1943 it is generally not a good idea to try to get inside the convoy. At that point your only real hope is long range shots from 5000+ meters with pattern-running torpedoes and hope your Hail Mary shots hit something while you dive and avoid detection. You must avoid detection at all costs by that time of the war or you are finished. Also I recommend not making any attack against any target where ASW vessels are within range without having 100% hull integrity so that you can dive to your maximum depth.

Once you get homing torpedoes you can once again get in close to the convoys if you are good enough to pick off the escorts with the magic torpedoes.

Steve